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Season 4 x 03 Man of Steel

29 Oct 2018 11:41 #61789 by Markiehoe
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What if the made a show called Supergirl and she was not in it.

I didn't like it.
I don't like where the show is headed with Supergirl not featured in her proper costume as a work around.
I don't like the fact that Melissa was to busy doing other things to star in her own show.

Oh yeah, Supergirl was saved by a male hero in the first 3 and a 1/2 minutes of the show.
Even quicker if you do not count the opening credits.

In the short time that Mercy was on they even ruined her character with the completely out of place threat to Agent Jenson
Why would she do that to a valuable asset?
I am baffled by the writing on this show.

Good job team Supergirl.
I am taking an indefinite break from this show for the foreseeable future.
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29 Oct 2018 12:59 - 29 Oct 2018 13:03 #61790 by kikass2014
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Hmm, that was certainly an….interesting episode.

I take your points Markiehoe, but personally, I thought it was a pretty good episode, generally.

I liked the fact that they took the time to flesh out the antagonist (at least one them) for the season.  And generally it was done in a logical manner.

Going back through all the main-ish events of the past seasons and seeing them through Agent Liberty’s perspective, made for good storytelling imo.  Usually in cases like these, its one event that causes the break in a person.  But here you see the slow build-up over time.

And Sam Witwer’s performance was outstanding.  His transformation from fresh-faced idealist to extremist was excellent.

I think the biggest strength of this episode was that it actually showed and presented BOTH sides to the argument.  And more so, it expanded the theme of immigration to the broader one of progress.  It makes a very good point about how no one really considers the price or cost of making progress.  The fact that this applies to both sides of the spectrum, makes it a significant cut above the usually political messaging in this show.

Progress indeed imo.

One could argue that it was a stereotypical representation of one side.  Why is everyone who is against “aliens”, a homicidal maniac???  You could put that down to the runtime available, and as such, compression is needed to convey information quickly.

The fact that it showed the aliens as aggressors, not once, but twice, helped put forward a more balanced representation that they are not all peace loving, law-abiding persons.

There was a lot of good debate in the political undercurrent of this episode, and as mentioned, presented in a balanced way.  So for that I commend the writers of this episode.

On the subject of Kara and her absence.  While frustrating when the titular character is side-lined more or less, its just one of those things called life. I love tuning in to see Melissa as Supergirl, but I also, like everyone, know that she needs to work. 

And in this particular instance, they conflicted. I am curious to know how long this will take though.  How many episodes will she be in that robo-suit?  And while they made it fit cleverly within the story of the season, like Markiehoe, I can see more people tuning out.

Overall, I think this was one of the best written episodes of the show, across all seasons.  And Witwer’s performance in it was also exemplary.

Peace.

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29 Oct 2018 16:53 #61793 by Markiehoe
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You have a full time job.
People depend on you to show up to work or the finished product suffers.

You now pick up a side job which is apparently more important.
Your full time job and the people that depend on you should not have to work harder and put out a diminished product to suit your selfish desires.

The star has abandoned her show for selfish reasons..
I am supposed to stick around and watch a show called Supergirl with no Supergirl in it?
I really don't want to hear any what if she was injured or had an emergency scenarios.
That is not what happened.

Enjoy Supersuitgirl.
I am not sticking around.

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29 Oct 2018 17:18 #61794 by kikass2014
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Again, I totally understand where you are coming from, though I do think you are being a tad hyperbolic.

Peace.

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29 Oct 2018 21:43 #61798 by fats
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this EP serves a purpose, it gives us the back story for agent liberty, and that was nice, but and I do mean this it fails as an SG episode as she was not in it in any meaningful way.

MB needs to remember that she has a role to play on this series and not on Broadway, she's not indispensable and can be replaced at a moments notice, it also shows that without her character the show falters badly.

The quality of the writing is still good and the supporting actors are strong, but without the main character, the show is not SG.

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29 Oct 2018 22:45 #61800 by kikass2014
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In fairness to Benoist (and trying not to sound like an apologist), I am pretty sure this was worked out in advance by BOTH parties.

There is no way she would be on Broadway of her own accord.  I mean, it's not like she just said "I'm not filming Supergirl the next few weeks 'cause I want to appear on Broadway".

If she did, you can bet your house she would have been fired on the spot (and probably sued for breach of contract).

I agree she, as an actress, is not indispensable, and can be replaced.  And totally agree that the show does falter when the character of Supergirl is not front and center so to say.

The supporting cast are not strong enough to carry it imo.  Though this episode was an exception, with the writing and Witwer's performance being so good, as to overlook the fact that Supergirl played no part in the story.

Will the next episode be as good?  How many will she be in that suit?

I remember hearing/reading that Kevin Smith's episode this season is episode number 5, and that he was filming with Benoist.  So maybe its just 1 episode she will be in that suit?

Just my thoughts.

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29 Oct 2018 23:42 #61803 by Markiehoe
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This decision does not come lightly.
If this were any other show I would have dropped it halfway through season 2.
We are on like 8 strikes right now.
This Diva move by Melissa, even with the producers permission, was the last straw.

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30 Oct 2018 00:31 #61805 by Sarge395
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Kinda done watching for the 'plot'.  I fast forward through most of it to the action.  Takes about 5 minutes to view an episode.  Still happy they have four seasons and hopefully more.  
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30 Oct 2018 00:32 #61806 by Markiehoe
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Sarge395 wrote: Kinda done watching for the 'plot'.  I fast forward through most of it to the action.  Takes about 5 minutes to view an episode.   


That might be a plan :/

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30 Oct 2018 18:05 #61810 by ace191
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I absolutely adore Melisa and I think she is very talented.  I still can't believe that I am getting treated to a fourth season of Supergirl. I think it was a win-win situation for both the CW and Melisa to give her the time to perform on Broadway which no doubt made her very happy and that is a good thing and the writers were pretty clever in coming up with a way to get er done.  To me, it is a small price to pay to get to see another season of Supergirl and I must say that the writing has been great thus far this season.
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02 Nov 2018 17:57 #61854 by andyf
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I ended up liking this episode a lot .more than I thought I would . We actually got to how the average person has been harmed by the various alien attacks over the years. I can't fault Melissa for getting an opportunity to fulfil a lifelong dream.

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10 Nov 2018 05:00 #61921 by Random321
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I'm sorta in the same camp as Ace.  I can't believe we've had four seasons of a Supergirl show.  Is she perhaps too often a guest on her own show?  Maybe.  Do I still watch the show mostly for SG?  I don't know.  Sometimes I think I'm just watching the train wreck, Maybe I just like the other characters.  Maybe I just come hoping there will be highlights.  It's more than I had 10 years ago.  I started this season thinking I might not make it to the end (it sorta happened in season two but I came back to it streaming) so far they've not blown it.

And yes - it was not an SG episode but I liked it as a generic, not high art, TV show.

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