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05 Aug 2017 23:37 #55716 by Lucent
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"I've rarely seen any comments on my stories here at SWM; in the last few years, it's been the same at AURG."

On most sites I comment regularly. But for a long while here there was a problem with the captcha. That problem is fixed, but my commenting habit hasn't returned.

"* Pictures are obviously more popular than prose, ..."

For me that is the problem with DA. I prefer prose, but on DA there is maybe 100 pictures to wade through to find on story.

Even in DA folders named "stories only" a third of the posts will just pictures, a third of the posts will be stories that have a picture as a cover -- and no easy way of telling them apart without loading them. (The other third is stories with no picture, easy to tell.)

DA also has a lot of poetry, which is more chaff for me to wade through.

What I like about SWM is how that I don't have to do much wading to find something I like. (Although the index search is very cumbersome.)

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07 Aug 2017 13:08 #55726 by luchodemeyer
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I'm sorry, I did not read all the topic so maybe someone already suggest this:
We could propose a commission platform directly on SWM (I don't really appreciate Patreon since this is not a one shot). The advantages:
- a part of the tarif could be given to SWM
- this could motivate the most talented writter (to know that people are able to pay for his writing style)
- That could contribute to maintain the new stories creation
- those who don't want to pay could still read freely the stories
- those who pay can have their fantasy put into a well written story..

IMC, I would be able to give some money (in a reasonable way :) )to read some of my fantasies under writers from here !

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07 Aug 2017 17:49 #55728 by shadar
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I'm pushing myself to complete the first half of a novella that I've been tinkering with for a while. The library has been a bit lonely since the last contest.

Here's the overview:

With the grittiness of Game of Thrones, yet based on a version of the AU hundreds of years in the future, I’m writing a novella about the struggle for survival on a distant Terran-seeded planet that is emerging from the desperate years of its founding.

The planet Glory has finally developed its rare ore Xinitite (Mithral) mining industry sufficiently to make it a prize for inclusion into either the Empire or the Enlightenment.

Jimmy Dickerson, a young and inexperienced reporter at the Daily Planet (not that one) finds himself caught between titanic forces as he works with the ace reporter at the Planet, a stunning yet aggressive woman named Cici, who happens to have some history with a Velorian. He and his companions discover a secret that could change life on Glory forever.

The first half, about 20,000 words, along with its companion images, should be ready to post this week.

This novella is being written specifically for SWM readers.

(Here’s a teaser picture of Jaz, the older daughter of the Enlightenment’s first ever Ambassador to Glory, who with her younger sister, has traveled to this new planet with her mother, even though it meant she had to drop out of Protector training back home. She and her younger sister find themselves working with Jimmy as they try to uncover a plot by the Empire and its agents who are trying to subvert Glory’s pivot toward the Enlightenment.

Jaz likes the leather jacket (they don’t have leather back home), that Jimmy gave her, so much that it's literally the only thing she ever wears. When she wears anything at all.)


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08 Aug 2017 02:44 #55729 by Starfurys483
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So I will admit I LOVE this site, but I don't comment much large a product of my line of work. I'm a compliance officer for a firm which monitors its associates and what we call "reputation risk", so I hardly comment on Facebook or other social media. I agree with a prior comment about visuals, they help to a huge degree. I go to DA all the time and read stories off there as well. I know my comment isn't really a positive one, but perhaps there are others who read and review, just don't comment as much.

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08 Aug 2017 04:30 #55730 by ace191
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I rarely read the Supergirl stories on DA. They tend to be crude and short and don't do much for me. The one up now is about SG turning into a baby in diapers. I sometimes wonder if people post those stories there just to see them in print.

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08 Aug 2017 05:17 #55731 by Pepper
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ace191 wrote: I rarely read the Supergirl stories on DA. They tend to be crude and short and don't do much for me. The one up now is about SG turning into a baby in diapers. I sometimes wonder if people post those stories there just to see them in print.

I would hope that members here would agree that not all stories appeal to all people. As long as they're just stories, it should be okay.

As for where is everyone, there are a few continuing stories that are on a bit of a hiatus. I hope activity picks up when there's more to talk about.

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08 Aug 2017 10:30 #55735 by Gideon020
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I mostly have problems figuring out how to submit a story here myself. :side:

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08 Aug 2017 10:50 - 08 Aug 2017 11:30 #55736 by Woodclaw
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Gideon020 wrote: I mostly have problems figuring out how to submit a story here myself. :side:


As I said before, if there is any problem or question about the library and submission system you can contact me via PM or email.
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08 Aug 2017 11:08 #55737 by Gideon020
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I keep forgetting that unfortunately, haha. ^.^;

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08 Aug 2017 11:36 #55738 by Woodclaw
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Gideon020 wrote: I keep forgetting that unfortunately, haha. ^.^;


No problem ;)

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08 Aug 2017 14:55 #55740 by Sarge395
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I have done a few Patreon fundings. Paid for art on DA but generally have stuck to reading and thanking people here. I post interesting items as I find them. Love the site for the general lack of political angst and more positive vibes. Not into peril but so be it. Don't like it don't go ape poop on it. I pay for C4S clips, crowdfunding projects, and other mature vids. I send comments to the creators and I have commissioned vids. Give and take.

Not worried about site statistics drop. This is the best site for super powered female stories.

I used to worry about my identity being exposed but really don't care now. Just reading and watching what interests me. I get why anonymity is good here however.

Post comments, hit thanks, let content creators know what you like, make suggestions, keep civil and share information. Simple.

And I do like to seed costumes around a bit. Fantasy story outline in the back of my head around that. Had a thing for the tailor being 'roped' into making them for various empowered girls.
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09 Aug 2017 06:19 #55747 by Lucent
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Patreon takes a big cut and has a minimum limit for donation amounts. Also they've got a heavy artsy (SJW) political bias, and don't seem to like traditional liberal, conservative or even socialist ideas. Deviant Art is a mess when it comes to finding stories. Wattpad seems tailored to HS students.

I think luchodemeyer has a good idea to bring back and encourage authors.

I had to take LTD and then retire early. No way can I afford $5 an episode for a single 3 episode novella. But I do pay $10 a month for Kindle Unlimited (KU).

So SWM would take donations and keep 20%. Every six months the rest would be split between the authors, based on number of chapters/pages/words read, and reader ratings, during that 6 month period.

Authors wishing anonymity, either could specify a charity or a company* as recipient. Or maybe make the payment via Bitcoin or Amazon gift card.

Readers could read free, or make a donation.

I'm overthinking it here. But the idea is, authors with more reads, and authors with more stars, get a bigger slice of the pie.

SWM gets more money because this brings in more stories, more stories bring in more readers, and more readers bring more donations.

what luchodemeyer replied:
"... We could propose a commission platform directly on SWM (I don't really appreciate Patreon since this is not a one shot). The advantages:
- a part of the tarif could be given to SWM
- this could motivate the most talented writter (to know that people are able to pay for his writing style)
- That could contribute to maintain the new stories creation
- those who don't want to pay could still read freely the stories
- those who pay can have their fantasy put into a well written story..
IMC, I would be able to give some money (in a reasonable way :) )to read some of my fantasies under writers from here !"
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09 Aug 2017 06:22 #55748 by Lucent
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Reading Starfury's comment. How can we make donations anonymously? Or at least so the credit card payee doesn't have a name that wives and girlfriends will question us on?

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09 Aug 2017 14:36 #55750 by WLG
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I had lots of trouble logging in. gave up for quite a while.

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09 Aug 2017 14:38 #55751 by kikass2014
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Regarding the idea of a paetron style system for authors (and artists) here, thats actually not a bad idea. I don't think the technical skills required to implement such a system are beyond Fats.

Peace.

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P.S. This caught my eye also

I used to worry about my identity being exposed...

You're not Superman in real life by any chance Sarge? Or Supergirl? :blink: :ohmy: :lol: :)

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09 Aug 2017 18:52 #55755 by ace191
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I can't speak for all the authors, but it takes hours and hours to write these stories and there is just no real good way to compensate the authors with anything close to the minimum wage. I think most writers here are motivated by hey, if I write a story and post it here maybe another writer will read and enjoy it and then write a story for me to read and enjoy.

My one thought on compensation from this site would be a fund for workshop winners to commission an illustration of their story that would be posted in the library with their winning story.

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09 Aug 2017 19:10 #55756 by shadar
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ace191 wrote: I can't speak for all the authors, but it takes hours and hours to write these stories and there is just no real good way to compensate the authors with anything close to the minimum wage. I think most writers here are motivated by hey, if I write a story and post it here maybe another writer will read and enjoy it and then write a story for me to read and enjoy.

My one thought on compensation from this site would be a fund for workshop winners to commission an illustration of their story that would be posted in the library with their winning story.


The payment for stories is called A Thoughtful Comment. It's the most powerful currency for any author. It alone has the power to generate more and better stories, Guaranteed.

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09 Aug 2017 19:14 #55757 by ace191
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Amen to that!

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09 Aug 2017 20:18 #55758 by njae
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It's been mentioned time and time again that it is quite demotivating for authors if there's little to no feedback. It was also mentioned that something similar is true with the workshops and voting along that.

And the solution to that should be taking money for SWM and then distributing it among the writers based on feedback? That's not going to work. Back in the day I was jealous of authors who received tons of comments for any new installment they posted or needed only their name to win a workshop. I don't see anybody be more motivated by throwing money into the mix.
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09 Aug 2017 22:10 #55759 by kikass2014
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Why does it have to be an either/or with regards to the stories?

Whats to stop a system where an author can be commissioned to write a story and get paid for it? They can still have their stories read for free if they choose. They can still write commissioned stories for free. Or they can charge for some stories and give some stories for free.

Same with illustrators. They can have their work displayed for free, or they can choose to charge for them. Or they can choose to have some for free and some you need to pay to see. They can do commissions for free, or they can charge.

The point is, the artist (whether writer or illustrator) chooses themselves how they wish to distribute/craft they art.

At the moment, its all free.

I'm not saying one way or another is "better" per se. Just that options never hurt.

I'm not a writer, I don't really read many of the stories tbh, just not my thing. I'm just looking at it from a practical, neutral standpoint.

Just my 2 cents as always.

Peace.

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09 Aug 2017 22:32 #55760 by shadar
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I don't understand how we got from "we need more members on SWM" to discussions of charging people to read stories or look at pictures? That'll bring 'em flocking in.

Seems like we took a U-turn somewhere.

I truly miss the free and wondrous internet thinking of the 90's. Sites run for the love of it, and funded from donations.

SWM is a lovely vestige of 90's internet culture. I'd sure love to see it stay that way.

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09 Aug 2017 22:53 #55761 by fats
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TO do the pay to read/view I've two options, one is to set up a virtual store and offer a payment system, that way has the lowest cost what I would need to do is set up the store, and offer a payment option of say PayPal or Credit cards, I would then need to pay the author the percentage of what we take in on a story by story basis. costs would be under $200. the other option would be a subscription model, that is the easiest thing to set up as all the payment gateways are included but the costs are huge over $500.


Let me get the site sorted and then we can look at the options, but remember that once to go down the subscription or purchase options there is no going back, we need to get people to interact more on the site that should be our priority rather than the financial side of things.

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09 Aug 2017 23:38 #55762 by shadar
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fats wrote: Let me get the site sorted and then we can look at the options, but remember that once to go down the subscription or purchase options there is no going back, we need to get people to interact more on the site that should be our priority rather than the financial side of things.

Fats


Amen to that.

IMHO, the last thing this genre needs is another pay-to-view site behind a paywall.

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10 Aug 2017 04:43 #55763 by AuGoose
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Money at a scale this site could provide without dramatically changing it's characters doesn't seem likely to alter my level of motivation to create ubergirl fiction. I mostly do it for the applause and sometimes the feedback on the various elements I'm experimenting with in any given story. As I mentioned in my notebook once, to a reader who took the time to post that they wanted to see more of a story I was working on, "The best way to get a Muse to hang around is to ask her to." Their expression of interest was a very palpable boost for my continuing to work the project. A lot of the contributors here feel similarly, I think.

I do have some concerns about our feedback mechanisms here on the site. For the most part, they're confined to comments hooked to the library entry itself (down at the bottom) and the comments thread in the stories tracker. However, both of them require the highest level of effort for readers to use: they have to write something and they have to do it while they have the story open in front of them - if they even see the reply panel at all. The authors among us here shouldn't underestimate how daunting that is for a lot of our audience. Both technically and because doing so strips away a layer on anonymity many of the site's readers prefer/enjoy. Most stories end up getting almost no comments in either venue beyond the regular efforts of our librarian, who's required to read every piece as part of the submission and publishing process. I've seen a case just recently where a story went up, several people commented on it at the bottom of the library entry, and the author only discovered they'd gotten responses only by chance. Hearing the applause for your stories should never be left to chance!

At the other end of the spectrum of effort, I've experimented with keeping a notebook thread here on the boards. It gets less exposure than full library entries, but presents readers with a one-click way of acknowledging a piece. Believe me: I pour over those 'thank yous' very closely. In my experience if a piece is really clicking for people, it'll get about 6 thank yous. Interestingly the list of people who do click thank you often rotates and shifts, and I'm very aware of when a new name appears for the first time. I always enjoy getting more elaborate feedback in thread, but those easy-peasy thank yous do a LOT to keep my enthusiasm up :). They also give me some interesting data when comparing the in-notebook responses to feedback once I've moved finished tales to the library. I've often wondered if most site-users even know the notebook is there. My sense is most of the ones who write out responses do know - because once something goes to the library, there's virtually no further response or commentary at all. I try not to take the sound of crickets personally ;).

I feel like there's some space between full text responses and single click responses that could be explored. Some sort of one-to-five-stars rating of your enjoyment of a story, or even several rating for various aspects of a story you've just read? It would give readers a way of interacting a little more while still not having to de-lurk and attach their name to a response. However, since we do need and want authors of all skill levels stepping forward, I think any sort of "please grade my creation" functionality should be something you have to opt into when you submit a tale. Some folks are at a stage where they want there stuff picked apart, and some would prefer mostly positive responses that build the confidence to keep generating stories. There's some very successful creative-hosting sites out there that make "Artist desires critique." a very clear switch you can throw as a contributing creator.

I guess my focus would be less on 'where is everyone?' and more on 'how can we make people feel like this is a place to be?' Both as writers and as readers who want to encourage authors they enjoy.
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10 Aug 2017 05:21 - 10 Aug 2017 05:33 #55764 by Monty
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I absolutely agree with you Goose. The writing should be from inspiration. It would be good to see more author's posting on a separate library site to say 'hey, this is what I'm working on' to get feedback.
Sometimes you see a story, but there's no feedback from the author and it can read like a blank page sometimes. That sounds harsh, as I know the writer's put alot of time into their work. An example being Circes Cup's excellent La Porte Caves before it was picked up in La Porte's own thread. Now I wouldn't miss the next chapter for the world.
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