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Bad News: No Ursa in Superman Reboot!

14 Apr 2011 22:13 #22673 by lfan
Good News: We get Faora instead....

Rumors now circulating after the casting of Zod is that Ursa will not be a Kryptonian female that will align with Zod. Rather, Faora (or Zaora) will be the mysterious female lead. For those not familiar with her, she is the ultimate man-hating Kryptonian. Some say the character of Ursa in Superman II was based originally on her, so I guess they are kinda one in the same.

For all your Faora/Zaora info, you can find it here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faora

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15 Apr 2011 05:27 #22679 by inactive
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This is relevant to my interests. I love Faora/Zaora.

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15 Apr 2011 06:33 #22681 by Sarge395
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Not bad news to me. Ursa or Faora it still rocks. Evil hot ubergirl = win.

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15 Apr 2011 07:29 #22682 by lfan
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Agree. My post was kinda tongue in cheek....no bad news at all!

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15 Apr 2011 07:59 #22684 by inactive
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Here's a little piece of Faora in action, showing Superman who's boss.

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Should be able to click through for a larger size.

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15 Apr 2011 08:02 #22685 by inactive
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Sorry, these are out of order, I'm posting them as I find them. This is the previous page.

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15 Apr 2011 12:37 - 16 Apr 2011 00:13 #22688 by dr lazarus
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Yes I heard about that. Not much of a dealbreaker, since an evil Kryptonian superbabe is still an evil Kryptonian superbabe, though I'm not really sure why they didn't just keep the name Ursa, unless it's a way to distance the reboot somewhat from Superman II (which could also be the reason Non doesn't appear to be in it). Of course, the rumor Faora/Zaora/Ursa whatever the hell they're calling her could be just that, a rumor.

Faora To Be Villainess in MAN OF STEEL? Redesigned Krypton to Look Like Coruscant? - Collider.com

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Ursa. Her time has come.
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16 Apr 2011 09:43 #22697 by davidelliot2000
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It looks as if the Sara Douglas fans maybee scared the producers a bit, lets hope they respect the Ursa fan's as much as they fear them and make FIORA a real sexy bad ass, teasing gen Zod all the time by using her super strength against the punny earthmen, to show him what a bad girl she is. Also there is hope of a Super Lois, because Super Man is a Chivallrus chap and I do'nt think he likes hitting girls, The same chaimber-machine that took away supes powers in Super Man 2 could posibly impower Lois to go up against Fiora.:P

Ohh Boy this is gonna be GREAT!

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17 Apr 2011 00:49 - 17 Apr 2011 08:16 #22707 by inactive
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Action Comics #472 was, of course, the last issue to feature Superman as a regular character. After tormenting Superman for most of the story, Faora finally put the man of steel out of his misery with a massive blow to the jugular which killed him almost instantly.

From #473-#499 "Superman's Action Comics" became "Faora's Action Comics", for a two-year story arc that became known as the "Earth Empress" arc. Faora declared herself Empress Faora, Dictatrix of Earth. Stories during this period mostly revolved around plots by the human resistance (aided by Lex Luthor) to undermine the rule of Empress Faora. These plots would always be foiled, with the humans defeated and humiliated by a triumphant Faora, her grip on Earth stronger than ever. A backup feature during this time focused on Supergirl travelling the universe, trying to find somebody who could train her in the fighting techniques needed to defeat Faora.

In issue #500, the series was renamed "Supergirl's Action Comics". This issue was double-sized and showed Supergirl's triumphant return to Earth, at the end of which she defeated Faora and sent the villain back to the Phantom Zone. This issue came out at the same time as 1979's "Supergirl: The Movie", which was a world-wide sensation, establishing Supergirl as the most popular superhero in popular culture.

Supergirl continues to star in Action Comics to this day. Superman (an alternate universe version) returned briefly during the Crisis On Infinite Earths; his heroic sacrifice being the centerpiece of issue #7.

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A recent attempt by DC to re-introduce Superman has floundered due to a revolving door of writers; apparently people are less than willing to work on a character who seems a pale shadow of his more popular cousin. Meanwhile, Supergirl's popularity goes from strength to strength, with everyone anticipating the latest movie, directed by James Cameron and starring Scarlett Johansson to be the biggest yet.

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17 Apr 2011 08:03 - 17 Apr 2011 08:48 #22713 by argonaut
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I remember those "Earth Empress" stories. My favorite was the three-parter in which Zatanna magically endows herself with Kryptonian super-powers in the hope of defeating Faora. Her skill at sleight-of-hand and misdirection, in addition to her super-powers, were more than a match for Faora's prowess in martial arts. But Faora managed to exile Zatanna to another dimension with a magical Kryptonian artifact she unearthed from the ruins of Superman's Fortress of Solitude.

And of course who can forget the double-page spread in issue #500, when Supergirl's punch sends Faora hurtling against the moon, shattering it into thousands of frgagments?

I'm surprised that DC hasn't reprinted this arc in a trade paperback format.

Of course, when "Crisis on Infinite Earths" gave the company's editors an opportunity to reboot the DC Uniiverse, they took note of Supergirl's skyrocketing popularity, replacing such iconic male heroes as Flash and Green Lantern with female counterparts. But that's a subject for another post ...
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17 Apr 2011 08:41 #22715 by inactive
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Yeah, and of course, after DC's female heroes started breaking sales records, Marvel finally had to respond and jumped on the bandwagon in a big way in the early 90's. Spiderman's Clone Saga ended with Spiderman retiring and handing over the reins to his female clone, Beth Reilly, who has continued as Spiderwoman to this day. Anne Hathaway did a great job in the first two Spiderwoman movies, but everybody agreed that the third movie was not as good and the series is due to be rebooted with up and coming Brit starlet Carey Mulligan in the lead.

The Avengers were relaunched as the New Avengers, featuring Iron Lady, Ms. Marvel, Valkyrie, American Dream, and She-Hulk as the core of the team. They kept a few token male heroes around to placate the vocal minority of weirdos who are interested in that kind of thing, but they have not been the focus for a long time. After the success of the Iron Lady movies, which have done so much to rehabilitate Amy Winehouse's image after her bravura performance as Antonia Stark, the long-awaited New Avengers movie is now in pre-production. Once Natalie Portman has wrapped filming "Valkyrie" and Amanda Seyfried has finished work on "American Dream: The First Avenger", they will join Winehouse, Keira Knightley as Ms. Marvel and Gail Kim as She-Hulk in the ensemble piece.

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19 Apr 2011 06:13 #22728 by inactive
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argonaut wrote: Of course, when "Crisis on Infinite Earths" gave the company's editors an opportunity to reboot the DC Uniiverse, they took note of Supergirl's skyrocketing popularity, replacing such iconic male heroes as Flash and Green Lantern with female counterparts. But that's a subject for another post ...


But then we would have to talk about the awful Flash TV series from 1990 and the crimes they committed against the classic Flash costume.

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19 Apr 2011 13:59 #22732 by Woodclaw
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argonaut wrote: Of course, when "Crisis on Infinite Earths" gave the company's editors an opportunity to reboot the DC Uniiverse, they took note of Supergirl's skyrocketing popularity, replacing such iconic male heroes as Flash and Green Lantern with female counterparts. But that's a subject for another post ...


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The idea of replacing Hal with Carol Ferris was pretty good, but we all know where they went from there. First they offed Carol at the beginning of the 90s when she tried to resurrect Hal and replaced her with Anya Savenlovich (which wasn't bad character by herself, although very cliché-heavy at first), but this briing us to the dreaded refrigerator syndrome... honestly, why introducing a character like Kyle Rayner only to kill him after less than a year? Just to cause the main character some trauma? Maybe it will be more credible if the character had been around longer than 4 months!

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19 Apr 2011 19:37 #22734 by inactive
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Anon wrote: The idea of replacing Hal with Carol Ferris was pretty good, but we all know where they went from there. First they offed Carol at the beginning of the 90s when she tried to resurrect Hal and replaced her with Anya Savenlovich (which wasn't bad character by herself, although very cliché-heavy at first), but this briing us to the dreaded refrigerator syndrome... honestly, why introducing a character like Kyle Rayner only to kill him after less than a year? Just to cause the main character some trauma? Maybe it will be more credible if the character had been around longer than 4 months!


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I think they did a better job, plot-wise, with Green Arrow. Replacing Oliver Queen with his younger sister, Olivia (really guys, you just changed two letters and called it a day?), seemed like a cheesy move at the beginning, but Olivia quickly established herself as a strong character in her own right. I did like the fact that they kept the Green Arrow / Black Canary relationship as a romantic one, even if their wedding in Massachusetts did not turn out the way that we would have hoped.

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19 Apr 2011 20:50 #22735 by lfan
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DietSnapple71 wrote: I did like the fact that they kept the Green Arrow / Black Canary relationship as a romantic one, even if their wedding in Massachusetts did not turn out the way that we would have hoped.


haha! Nice one! :laugh:

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20 Apr 2011 01:38 #22737 by JKIJ
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This reminiscing has certainly brought a smile to my face. Great fun.

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21 Apr 2011 05:40 - 21 Apr 2011 05:41 #22761 by inactive
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Anon wrote: , but this briing us to the dreaded refrigerator syndrome... honestly, why introducing a character like Kyle Rayner only to kill him after less than a year? Just to cause the main character some trauma? Maybe it will be more credible if the character had been around longer than 4 months!


Yeah, Major Force is a stone cold bitch, that’s for sure. She also choked Arisia’s friend Guy Gardner to death after making him beg for his life.

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When it comes to “men in refrigerators”. It’s true that men get the short end of the stick in the DC universe, but so much of that is because of economic and story reasons. Why did Batman/Bruce Wayne get shot and crippled by the Joker instead of Batwoman/Barbara Gordon? Because Batwoman was and is one of the most popular characters in the world and Batman did not even have his own book at the time. Yes, Jason Todd was disposed of in a brutal manner, but he was a deeply unpopular character at the time, and Stephanie Brown, his replacement as Robin, has done such a good job that nobody batted an eyelid when she temporarily replaced Gordon as Batwoman after the events of Final Crisis.

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The harsh fact is that male characters are more likely to be disposable in current DC stories. When Supergirl-Prime or Black Mary go on a rampage and kill or main a bunch of Teen Titans, who do you think is more likely to be a victim: popular characters like Pantha, Terra, Ms. Martian, or Aquagirl; or second-stringers like Beast Boy, Aqualad, Nightwing, or Kid Devil? You guessed it: RIP, boys! The boyfriends or husbands of big DC heroines are ideal targets for a villain when you want to raise the stakes.

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The same applies to the other end of the spectrum: resurrection. How come Carol Ferris was resurrected at the end of ‘Blackest Night’, but Hal Jordan remains resolutely dead? Because nobody but the most die-hard fans even know who Hal Jordan is!

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22 Apr 2011 07:16 - 22 Apr 2011 09:18 #22784 by inactive
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Going back to the Girl of Steel, part of the reason for Supergirl’s popularity has to be the way that they have filled out her rogue’s gallery with memorable villainesses.

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Lex Luthor’s cousin, Nasthalthia Luthor restored a lot of the menace of the Luthor name that had been lost due to Lex’s bumbling over the years. With her power armor and ruthless deployment of Kryptonite, she has nearly bested the Girl of Steel on a number of occasions. Getting herself elected President strained even my suspension of disbelief, but you have to admit that a woman of her restless genius would be able to achieve almost any goal she desired.

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Brainiac-2 has proved more vicious and intelligent than the original Brainiac. She has nearly destroyed the sun, briefly destroyed all technology on Earth, and came close to stealing Metropolis itself. Only Supergirl’s constant struggle has kept humanity intact in the face of this technological horror, often at great cost to herself. One has to wonder how the recent alliance between Brainiac-2 and Nasthalthia Luthor will play out and how far the Girl of Steel will have to go to prevail over them.

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Supergirl-Prime, younger than Supergirl, but endowed with the incredible powers of the pre-Crisis Supergirl has proved to be a polarizing figure in fandom. Some see her as a petulant caricature, not worthy of association with the ‘S’ shield. The sickening violence that accompanies her every appearance is a sign of the darker direction that comics have taken in recent years. She is currently exiled from mainstream DC continuity, but is rumored to be making a “shocking” return soon. Given her well-established hatred for the new Superman and low sales of the current Superman book, it would not be surprising if the Man of Steel were to die for a third time. As one of the few characters in the DC universe capable of and willing to destroy entire planets, it would be entertaining to see Supergirl-Prime toying with the hapless Superman.

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Bizarro is a character who has trodden a fine line between drama and pathos, depending on who is writing for her. An imperfect duplicate of Supergirl, her actions run the gamut from mindless mayhem, to childlike villainy, to a kind of heroism as the self-appointed protector of the cube-shaped Bizarro world.

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Black Mary is another character who has walked the line between heroine and villainess, depending on her mercurial whims. She fought to save the world in both Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis, for her own reasons, but between those two events she committed genocide in Bialya and killed a number of heroes during the rampage following the death of her consort. Her powers make her a match for Supergirl and her changeable nature always makes for an interesting twist in the tale.

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Then there is Maxima. The near-invincible warrior from beyond the stars whose narrow defeat during the ‘Death of Supergirl’ saga cost Supergirl her life (albeit temporarily). DC have struggled to recapture the menace of Maxima in subsequent appearances, but she remains a formidable foe nonetheless.

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22 Apr 2011 14:00 - 22 Apr 2011 14:14 #22786 by Woodclaw
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I think they did a better job, plot-wise, with Green Arrow. Replacing Oliver Queen with his younger sister, Olivia (really guys, you just changed two letters and called it a day?), seemed like a cheesy move at the beginning, but Olivia quickly established herself as a strong character in her own right. I did like the fact that they kept the Green Arrow / Black Canary relationship as a romantic one, even if their wedding in Massachusetts did not turn out the way that we would have hoped.


Well Green Arrow never suffered of mayor love among the authors (just take a look at her rogue gallery), pretty much until Kevin Smith resurrected the character her only two meaningful stories were Mike Grell's Detroit era and the legendary "Thelma & Louise" storyline, when Olivia and Carol Ferris went cross-country looking for a new meaning for their lives.

DietSnapple71 wrote: Going back to the Girl of Steel, part of the reason for Supergirl’s popularity has to be the way that they have filled out her rogue’s gallery with memorable villainesses.



Lex Luthor’s cousin, Nasthalthia Luthor restored a lot of the menace of the Luthor name that had been lost due to Lex’s bumbling over the years. With her power armor and ruthless deployment of Kryptonite, she has nearly bested the Girl of Steel on a number of occasions. Getting herself elected President strained even my suspension of disbelief, but you have to admit that a woman of her restless genius would be able to achieve almost any goal she desired.


My personal favourite was when the DC establish Ms. Luthor as thee first female president of the U.S. even if the conclusion of that storyline, with Batwoman destroying the Luthor Industries was very underwhleming.

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Supergirl-Prime, younger than Supergirl, but endowed with the incredible powers of the pre-Crisis Supergirl has proved to be a polarizing figure in fandom. Some see her as a petulant caricature, not worthy of association with the ‘S’ shield. The sickening violence that accompanies her every appearance is a sign of the darker direction that comics have taken in recent years. She is currently exiled from mainstream DC continuity, but is rumored to be making a “shocking” return soon. Given her well-established hatred for the new Superman and low sales of the current Superman book, it would not be surprising if the Man of Steel were to die for a third time. As one of the few characters in the DC universe capable of and willing to destroy entire planets, it would be entertaining to see Supergirl-Prime toying with the hapless Superman.

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Black Mary is another character who has walked the line between heroine and villainess, depending on her mercurial whims. She fought to save the world in both Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis, for her own reasons, but between those two events she committed genocide in Bialya and killed a number of heroes during the rampage following the death of her consort. Her powers make her a match for Supergirl and her changeable nature always makes for an interesting twist in the tale.


Black Mary and Supergirl Prime are two attempts to make a decent opposite colored villain (something that they were only abel to do with Karu Sil and Lyssa Drak as opposite of Green Lantern). Of the two I prefer Mary for 3 reasons:
  1. She's an already established character (hell she was the first femal flying powerhouse) rather than something cocked up to satisfy a story need
  2. Her dual nature makes her a lot more intersting under the psychological P.O.V. (too often Supergirl Prime looks simply like a spoiled little tyrant)
  3. I don't care what many people said her good version is as hot as her evil one (albeit ina different way)

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Then there is Maxima. The near-invincible warrior from beyond the stars whose narrow defeat during the ‘Death of Supergirl’ saga cost Supergirl her life (albeit temporarily). DC have struggled to recapture the menace of Maxima in subsequent appearances, but she remains a formidable foe nonetheless.


The big problem with characters like Maxima (and by extension Bane, after he crippled Barbara Gordon back in an attempt to recreate a legitimate male villain whihc wasn't basicly a rapist) is that after such an incredible introduction any attempt to write a story with her will always be plagued by the need to define who's the strongest.
It doesn't help that there are tons of slash fanfiction out there having Maxima and Supergirl ina lesbian relationship.

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23 Apr 2011 11:30 #22793 by inactive
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I'm just happy that DC are starting to pay some attention to more "fun" superheroines. It doesn't have to be all sturm and drang and Supergirl-Prime turning guys heads into red mist, or Black Mary punching holes in guys chests. Sometimes we can just have some old fashioned superheroine fun with Blue Beetle and Booster Gold.

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