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08 Jun 2013 07:06 #31847 by Woodclaw
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Just a piece of a interview with Joss Whedon . I think that if anybody is going to do a superheroine movie right it will be him.

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08 Jun 2013 07:52 #31848 by shadar
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Could be right... he's mentioned a few times that he has a hard time making any movie without a superpowered girl in it. Obviously he's a fan of young women with powers and/or abilities beyond normal humans.

Of course, that doesn't mean Supergirl. She's probably the last person he'd want to tackle given she has the "Superman problem" of having too much power, even if we love her. A Supergirl movie with a bunch of Kryptonian villains running amuck to challenge her might work. Maybe the upcoming Superman movie will clarify if this makes sense.

Anon wrote: Just a piece of a interview with Joss Whedon . I think that if anybody is going to do a superheroine movie right it will be him.

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08 Jun 2013 16:14 #31854 by castor
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shadar wrote: Could be right... he's mentioned a few times that he has a hard time making any movie without a superpowered girl in it. Obviously he's a fan of young women with powers and/or abilities beyond normal humans.

Of course, that doesn't mean Supergirl. She's probably the last person he'd want to tackle given she has the "Superman problem" of having too much power, even if we love her. A Supergirl movie with a bunch of Kryptonian villains running amuck to challenge her might work. Maybe the upcoming Superman movie will clarify if this makes sense.


I don't think thats the issue. All of his classic shows about superheroines have dealt less with the idea of pure power and invulerability, but giving them a problem they can't just hit. Buffy is a teenager. You can't punch that. River is crazy. Dollhouse is about the expectations we place on woman.

The supergirl stuff is more about budget. I wasn't a huge fan of the movie avengers, but i do think it had the best Superheroic Battle Scene ever done at the end-And the last 10 minutes of the avengers probabbly cost 50 million by itself. He can handle it. And if he wants the budget he can get it.

I do agree with you broadly that the supergirl isn't the best fit-but for the second issue that peter david also brought up. Supergirl is classically very much in supermans shadow, and its hard character to push out of it. If he did make a supergirl movie i suspect it would be along the lines in the Peter David Mold, but i suspect he whould want to find another trick for it.

It whould be intresting-and i whould actually hope to a degree he could do something original. His stuff he made that he created himself i think has been better then the IPS he has been hired on-and despite his love of superheroic girls hes never really made a movie that focused on them, and the kind of story you can tell versus a movie. I always thought for example that Dollhouse was a very good movie that was made into an okay TV show.

Lets see what he can do.

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08 Jun 2013 18:54 #31856 by shadar
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Given my favorite TV show of all time is Firefly, and that's 100% pure Whedon, from concept through execution (he even wrote the theme song), I'm always stoked when I see a situation coming where Whedon can show us what's in his head, and not just direct or produce someone else's ideas.
He's good at that, but that's not the man's true genius.

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09 Jun 2013 12:16 #31871 by rednecko
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I think what Joss Whedon could do is someone in the Marvel Universe because those characters have issues they can't always overcome such as Ms Marvel's Binary persona or Black Widow's history as an assassin. Those would be two characters I think could easily fit into his filmmaking viewpoint for Superheroines.

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09 Jun 2013 14:35 #31873 by lfan
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I think Ms M -- older incarnation -- would be great fodder for Whedon, especially the period where she was battling alcoholism.

As for Supergirl, it'll never happen with him,but it's. Nice to dream. I agree with Castor that her problem is being a female Superman, not having Supermans powers. I think her personality -- angst, compulsive teenager -- is far more interesting than Supermans boy scout persona and would give Whedon some incredible material ala Buffy. Oh well....

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09 Jun 2013 19:00 #31878 by sgfan05
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First off, agree Whedon should do a superheorine movie. Clearly knows how to handle such a character through Buffy. So a Black Widow or Ms. Marvel movie would be a good fit.

I think the biggest problem superheroine films have had is bad story. Supergirl is just a crazy train wreck or Catwoman same thing. Going along with the problem of bad writing is changing the core of the character. Prime example being the Wonder Woman TV pilot. Bringing back Catwoman again, there's another case where the character was butchered. You have to remain true to the core of the character and what they stand for. Hunger Games worked because Katnisis came off as a believable character with a world that was developed enough. Her storyline was also connectable, working to save her sister and then to survivable.

I think a Supergirl movie could work. Much like people have said she does live in Superman's shadow. So you do probably have to introduce her in a Superman film. After that though her own story should focus on the core of Supergirl's character. She's an outsider, an alien from another world. Superman for being all 'Last Son of Krypton' grew up on Earth with the mindset of a human being. Kara is from another world, another culture. Her drama comes from adjusting to life on Earth. I think basically she should sort of be like Data from Next Gen in a sense. Certainly Supergirl would have emotions and feelings but her journey is that of discovering what about Earth and by extension humanity is worth protecting. She wouldn't be trying to be human but understanding her new home.

Alright done rambling :)

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09 Jun 2013 21:25 #31880 by castor
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SG bring up the point. The problem is finding a plot. Almost all superhero movies at least for the first in a series have more or less the same one-The Origin Story etc. However Iron Man is a very a diffrent movie then Batman Begins.

There is nothing inherently diffrent about doing a female character-and i do think there are mutiple ways-Sgfan brought up Hunger Games-which is a great example of doing it well . However i don't think its the only way of doing it. you could female superhero comedy, or a drama, or any number of ways. You do need a direction and a vision.

I think a trick that is hard in any kind of female action genre is rommance. The dynamics are tricky, largely based on how society treats roles of men of women. One either ends up with a passive figure, or an attempt at equality which kind of dimishes the heroines role. Its been done decently but i can't think of a live action movie where it has been done well. Whens its been done badly(see for example Catwoman) it can really sink a movie

Wheedon is not sodenburgh here but i think hes very good with plots, or at least getting the basic down well. Hes never really done rommances very well in a movie but i think he could.

I remember about 8 years ago(i am going on memory) Wheedon wrote a script to a wonder woman movie. I tend to think Wonder Woman is an almost impossible character to do right, but if anyone could bring her to the screen i would say him.

PS. I will say however i kind of Like the 1984 Supergirl movie so who am i to talk.

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09 Jun 2013 21:57 #31881 by shadar
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Interesting... I would say that Whedon is very good at characters and only so-so on plots. As much as I am a Firefly addict, I struggle to coherently describe the plots, but I can go on forever about the characters.

I would absolutely love to read Whedon's WW script. Hopefully it will show up someday. My fear is that it was never completed and "put in the bag" and thus is just some odd file floating around on his computer waiting to be deleted. Anyone know the whole story of that script? Did the studio folks read it and say no. Or did Whedon get wrapped around the axle and didn't finish it?

And I also kind of like the old 1984 Supergirl movie, but much more so when I'm stoned. That applies to a lot of movies, but especially ones that require a sense of humor to appreciate.

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castor wrote: Wheedon is not sodenburgh here but i think hes very good with plots, or at least getting the basic down well. Hes never really done rommances very well in a movie but i think he could.

I remember about 8 years ago(i am going on memory) Wheedon wrote a script to a wonder woman movie. I tend to think Wonder Woman is an almost impossible character to do right, but if anyone could bring her to the screen i would say him.

PS. I will say however i kind of Like the 1984 Supergirl movie so who am i to talk.

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09 Jun 2013 22:21 #31883 by castor
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By good with plots i mean hes good at the basics. A movie doesn't require an amazing puzzle trap. A simple story done with good characters and great dilaouge is a good plot. Also no matter how route and sometimes predictable his story stuff is he is good at the concept of stakes. Captian Reynolds isn't a realistic character but he belivable that he cares about what ever adventures in. I think stuff hes worked on that fail-like the original Buffy the vVmpire sSayer or X-men, do so becuse the director looses grasp of that.

As for the WW script, i know it exists, and probabbly went for the drafts. I am pretty sure it went to the casting stage, but bogged down as movies often do around financing. AS someone who works in hollywood a bit a lot of movies do that. Its tricky to get 50 million dollars for something, unless you get a name thats 'worth' it(though one of the werid tricks about recent superhero movies, is the ones that didn't have a name attacked Batman Begins, Iron Man, etc did a lot better then the like Ghost Rider or Green Lantern that had a big star). I would like to read it to, but as these have NDAs attached i don't think it will ever leak.

And Supergirl i think the secret why i like it is the Rommance is kind of sweet-probabbly becuse both of the actors act stoned pretty much the entire timed.

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09 Jun 2013 22:25 #31884 by shadar
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Maybe that's it... Helen did act like she was stoned, now that you mention it. As did everyone else. Finally... it all makes sense. <grin>

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And Supergirl i think the secret why i like it is the Rommance is kind of sweet-probabbly becuse both of the actors act stoned pretty much the entire timed.

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