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New WW Costume Info (Rumored)

23 Jun 2014 05:29 #36945 by lfan
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It's -- in my opinion -- good news.....of course, IF its true:
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23 Jun 2014 09:59 #36947 by Dru1076
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This does sound promising. Here's hoping the "badass" costume is a reflection of the character, and she'll get to use those weapons. At the same time....i hope she doesn't rely on them too much. Having the shield on her back is no doubt much more practical for the real world, but I'm sure the fans will hate it.

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23 Jun 2014 11:28 - 23 Jun 2014 11:32 #36949 by Markiehoe
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Not a fan of the "Urban" look so that is a relief.
Not a fan of the "Armed and Armored" look either so that is a bummer.
If we want practical body armor she should dress like this.

Of course we leave the helmet off so Gal Gadot can act.

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23 Jun 2014 11:50 #36950 by lfan
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I've never quite understood the concept of realistic and practical uniforms for superheroes that are anything BUT realistic and/or practical. Likewise, I don't understand the 'ridiculousness' of Wonder Woman's outfit over the last 5-10 years when she has worn the same outfit more or less for 60+ years and is what everyone identifies her with. She may be a warrior, but she doesn't NEED all the amor and weapons .... She has superpowers. Those are her weapons!

That said, my good news comment was more directed to them seemingly abandoning the 52-style Wonder Woman. I've thought that has been friggin stupid since it was introduced, and hope that it does not creep it's way into the film. I wanna see WW fly, leap, deflect bullets, and lift cars....not fight with a sword, so I hope they downplay the armor part.

I find it ironic that people constantly compare Gal to Lynda Carter, saying that LC was the quintessential WW and there will be no equal. However, a lot of those same people wanna change the costume of that quintessential WW.....

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23 Jun 2014 18:25 #36951 by Woodclaw
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Markiehoe wrote: Not a fan of the "Urban" look so that is a relief.
Not a fan of the "Armed and Armored" look either so that is a bummer.
If we want practical body armor she should dress like this.

Of course we leave the helmet off so Gal Gadot can act.

Funny little fact, one of my character actually wear something like that, although with a little less bulk overal :p

lfan wrote: I've never quite understood the concept of realistic and practical uniforms for superheroes that are anything BUT realistic and/or practical. Likewise, I don't understand the 'ridiculousness' of Wonder Woman's outfit over the last 5-10 years when she has worn the same outfit more or less for 60+ years and is what everyone identifies her with. She may be a warrior, but she doesn't NEED all the amor and weapons .... She has superpowers. Those are her weapons!

That said, my good news comment was more directed to them seemingly abandoning the 52-style Wonder Woman. I've thought that has been friggin stupid since it was introduced, and hope that it does not creep it's way into the film. I wanna see WW fly, leap, deflect bullets, and lift cars....not fight with a sword, so I hope they downplay the armor part.

I find it ironic that people constantly compare Gal to Lynda Carter, saying that LC was the quintessential WW and there will be no equal. However, a lot of those same people wanna change the costume of that quintessential WW.....

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I'm quite on the opposite side in many cases. I don't mind having invulnerable characters running around in skimpy outfits, but I much prefer those that wear body armor to look like it. WW is kind a grey area in my book, she's supposed not to be invulnerable (at least not at the same degree of a Kryptonian or one of the Marvels), but she isn't defenseless either. The Bracers are a decent compromise, but every now and then I think it makes sense for her to add a bit of extra protection. Same for the weapons. She might not need them under normal circumstances, but every now and then she might need the extra punch.
I think that adding weapons and armors to WW makes sense, given the fantasy (as in dragons and myths) feeling of the character, but they should be used carefully. In my mind when you see her in weapons and armors you know that you better run because something just pushed her over the edge.

BTW, while I hate the jacket, I think that the leggings and straps costume used between #600 and Flashpoint was a decent attempt at redesigning the character. Matter of fact I prefer some ideas used in it over the star-spangled bottoms.

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23 Jun 2014 21:13 #36956 by shadar
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Dru1076 wrote: This does sound promising. Here's hoping the "badass" costume is a reflection of the character, and she'll get to use those weapons. At the same time....i hope she doesn't rely on them too much. Having the shield on her back is no doubt much more practical for the real world, but I'm sure the fans will hate it.


On the other hand, I won't mind it much if she tosses a tank up in the air and then slices it in half with her sword on the way down.
Or if she stabs her sword through the foot-thick frontal armor of a tank to convince the driver to stop, and when it doesn't, she hoists the impaled tank over her head with her sword hand and gives it a toss. All accompanied by the sound of tortured, rending steel. That kind of weapon use I could get used to. <grin>

Punching Superman through a half dozen walls with a single blow (which generates a shock wave that breaks every window for six blocks)? Or crushing some bad guy's gun into mangled scrap steel with her grip? Even better.

Wrapping her golden lasso around someone to force them to tell the truth? Not so much.
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23 Jun 2014 22:30 #36959 by Woodclaw
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shadar wrote: Wrapping her golden lasso around someone to force them to tell the truth? Not so much.


You have no idea how many jokes are poping in my head right now. :P

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24 Jun 2014 01:27 #36962 by TwiceOnThursdays
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I'm from the camp that Wonder Woman doesn't need armor, and is bullet proof in her own right.

Actually, ANY character that can punch through steel beams /concete walls/etc and survive hits from someone who can punch through the same is bullet proof. They HAVE to be. Those blows have MORE force/cm^2 than a bullet, so they can resist bullets too. (Trivial, how far into a concrete wall does a bullet go? How far does wonder woman's fist?) A human being hits with more force than a bullet, it's just spread over a much larger area. (re: a bullet hitting a merry go round can't make it move, but it's trivial for a human to do so with a blow.)

Wonder Woman would only wear armor when fighting others like her. I'm not sure from the description it's really armor. It sounds more like the roman/greek warrior outfit (skirt, maybe a bit of a breast plate).

She uses her bracelets because they are there, not because she needs to.

One of my pet peeves is "Why do all these invulnerable women were BOOTS?" They don't NEED boots. Well, maybe they need them to survive the forces they wield when other shoes would fall apart, but most boots wouldn't stand up either.

Now boots ARE sexy, but they ALL wear them. And sometimes almost the same kinds of boots too (fortunately there are more variety in the last decade or so). Supergirl should be wearing flats like she did for awhile in the 70's.

My other peeve is "What person (especially women) where the SAME clothes every day when it's not required (like a uniform)?" Janet Van Dyne is the only heroine who changes her clothes a lot -- and they pretty much stopped doing that too.

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25 Jun 2014 14:22 #36991 by fats
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I think it's a costume for the times, not great but it could work.

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25 Jun 2014 15:26 #37005 by castor
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TwiceOnThursdays wrote: I'm from the camp that Wonder Woman doesn't need armor, and is bullet proof in her own right.

Actually, ANY character that can punch through steel beams /concete walls/etc and survive hits from someone who can punch through the same is bullet proof. They HAVE to be. Those blows have MORE force/cm^2 than a bullet, so they can resist bullets too. (Trivial, how far into a concrete wall does a bullet go? How far does wonder woman's fist?) A human being hits with more force than a bullet, it's just spread over a much larger area. (re: a bullet hitting a merry go round can't make it move, but it's trivial for a human to do so with a blo oo.


Thats the centeral ideas of wonder woman: Which is everything she faces is a belivable threat. She Can fight Darksied, the gods or a punk on a street and maybe just maybe hurt her.

Does this make sence: Nope.

As someone who writes a fair amount of this, Does any of this make sence :Nope.

But selling that and making it seems like it does is one of the main challenges of this genre wether in film or in the movies, and what they can do to make it work-well try. I do think the Bracelets are a cool touch.

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26 Jun 2014 00:14 #37012 by TwiceOnThursdays
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Yes none of this really makes sense. ;-)

They do the same thing with Superman. If Superman is lifting something that is 1000/10,000/100,000 lbs it's the same thing. He starts to lift, and for a brief moment nothing happens, then he grunts and lifts it. All of these weights seem heavy to him. No matter if he's lifting a car or a jet plane.

And i love the bracers. And a sword and shield (and sometimes armor) even make sense, because Wonder Woman fights Gods (and other creatures of that level) so it makes sense that she'd have magical weapons designed to fight such beings. Could Wonder Woman kill Superman with her Sword? if it's any good, then Yes. But DC would say "No" (Because Superman). I always took it that Wonder Woman used her bracers to deflect bullets because it was a test of skill. And maybe the bullets hurt a bit/are annoying.

One of the few panels of a comic I totally HATE was in a comic I loved, drawn by an artist I love, and in a sequence of writing/art that had some of the best of the character. Character: Big Barda. Comic: Birds of Prey. Scene I hated. After a fight with foes using normal Earth weapons (machine guns), she is sitting IN HER ARMOR and had bleeding bullet holes all over her body. Barda should be immune to Earth guns even without armor. Barda's armor is going to be proof against almost any weapon from Earth (maybe a few special exceptions). It's designed to fight the toughest beings in the universe, punks with uzi's should not be a problem.

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26 Jun 2014 00:55 #37013 by jnw550
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I like seeing Wonder Woman in "battle garb".

I think of WW as a soldier. I imagine that, even though she was special in her own right, she was not treated special throughout her training as any warrior class would treat her. That being the case, she wore the same armor as her fellow amazons through her training. For me, from a soldier perspective, when I have my 'battle gear' on I know where everything is because I've trained myself, through muscle memory, to react appropriately to whatever contact by reaching for the appropriate ammo/weapon/tool without searching for it. (Not sure if this is making sense.)

I can see a ceremonial dress, and even a photogenic costume, but if she's going kick someone's ass, I think a more traditional costume is more comfortable for her.

Everyone wants to be a beast, until it's time to do what real beasts do.

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26 Jun 2014 01:18 - 26 Jun 2014 01:21 #37014 by shadar
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I believe Diana told Supes in the current Supes/WW comic that her sword could kill him.

I agree with most of your logic on her having to be (at least) bulletproof if she's able to do the other things she does. In the comic series above, she and Kal survive being at ground zero of a nuclear explosion. She comes through it better than he does. So armor makes no sense.

Also recall in Man of Steel, Zod shed his armor once he adjusted to Earth. No need.

Adamantly agree with you on footwear... it would just get in the way. As would clothing of any kind. Best outfit is the one that is most streamlined and most secure and least obtrusive. Even more realistic, their costumes get blown and torn away in a fight. But hard to do that in a G-rated comic. (Easy in our writing, however. ) The current Powergirl series treads along a fine line in that area.

A related point, that is one of my pet peeves, is how bullets rebound off a Kryptonian or someone of similar abilities. Unless you subscribe to the force-field theory (bullets don't actually touch their skin and the field projects slightly to protect clothing/costume), then impenetrable flesh is going to behave differently in different areas of the body. A bullet rebounding from her skull is different than hitting relaxed muscle which is different than flexed muscle which is way different than plowing into a boob (which I presume would soak up the bullet's force like a pillow, with the spent bullet plopping at her feet). But almost no one writes or draws that way. Ricochets are of equal intensity from every part of Supergirl's body.

If bullets rebounded from her body as if from steel as usually depicted (minus the force-field concept), then her entire body would have to feel like warm steel. That would make it kind of hard to hide in plain sight. Anyone who brushed against her would get hurt. I also recall in the old Supergirl comics that she had long, involved romantic relationships (and therefore obviously sex) with men who didn't know she was anything but an ordinary woman. If you go with that premise, then that severely limits how you can depict bullet impacts and the like.

I have always struggled with the question of sexual encounters with superhumans on a couple of levels, the most obvious being Kryptonian muscle tone and raw strength combined during an orgasm with an ordinary guy in a very delicate position. Opposite problem of Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex. One can construct a conceptual model where that could work, but it gets twisted pretty fast. Easier to come up with more plausible scenarios were the act is either impossible or ends badly for the guy. But that's no fun.

That's why I wound up going with my own bit of pseudo-science (a gold choker interfering with the encircled pituitary gland which causes loss of Orgone metabolism in Velorians). My assumption was that Vels have human-like muscle strands and also Galen (super) strands, and the Galen muscle strands need Orgone to contract. So when wearing gold, with Orgone suppressed, they are only using their human-like muscle strands. Otherwise I had trouble building a consistent rationale for how they could take on a StarDestroyer with their fists, but also enjoy uninhibited sex with human men (without getting into magic).

Some people say "screw it, that stuff doesn't have to make sense", but I think it at least has to have a conceptual framework that is self-consistent and believable (within the context of the mythology). Kryptonians never made sense that way (except perhaps in the Smallville series). WW we don't know. In the old comics, she had a human lover. But in the current issue, its only Supes. He's definitely got the mojo to handle an Amazon. Otherwise, you have to get into magic or unknowable god-like traits to explain human/superhuman intimacy.

Details matter, at least to me. I think they should to all of us who enjoy this genre. But then, I can be a little geeky about such things. But when you write a few hundred stories...

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As far as bracelets go, I figure that uniform surface is good to bounce bullets away so they won't hurt anyone. Presumably that a more predicable and controllable than using her fists or forearm.

TwiceOnThursdays wrote: Yes none of this really makes sense. ;-)

They do the same thing with Superman. If Superman is lifting something that is 1000/10,000/100,000 lbs it's the same thing. He starts to lift, and for a brief moment nothing happens, then he grunts and lifts it. All of these weights seem heavy to him. No matter if he's lifting a car or a jet plane.

And i love the bracers. And a sword and shield (and sometimes armor) even make sense, because Wonder Woman fights Gods (and other creatures of that level) so it makes sense that she'd have magical weapons designed to fight such beings. Could Wonder Woman kill Superman with her Sword? if it's any good, then Yes. But DC would say "No" (Because Superman). I always took it that Wonder Woman used her bracers to deflect bullets because it was a test of skill. And maybe the bullets hurt a bit/are annoying.

One of the few panels of a comic I totally HATE was in a comic I loved, drawn by an artist I love, and in a sequence of writing/art that had some of the best of the character. Character: Big Barda. Comic: Birds of Prey. Scene I hated. After a fight with foes using normal Earth weapons (machine guns), she is sitting IN HER ARMOR and had bleeding bullet holes all over her body. Barda should be immune to Earth guns even without armor. Barda's armor is going to be proof against almost any weapon from Earth (maybe a few special exceptions). It's designed to fight the toughest beings in the universe, punks with uzi's should not be a problem.

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27 Jun 2014 02:42 #37027 by steelknight3000
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As long a superhuman can control their strength within reason, sex with mortals shouldn't be an insurmountable issue should it?
I mean I can crush a paper cup but I can still hold it in my hand without doing so.

Though I would advise the ladies against romantic relations with The Hulk however.....

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27 Jun 2014 19:42 #37038 by shadar
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I would challenge you to hold an empty paper cup in your hand during highly athletic sex without crushing it. If you did manage it, you'd be concentrating on the cup. How fun would that be?

And in the case of the women we write about, the difference in strength and resistance to injury is even greater. And a vagina and a hand have different degrees of fine motor control, especially during orgasm.

But yes, that was the old Kryptonian excuse, when anyone wanted to offer an excuse. That they could restrain their strength to minuscule levels even during the most dramatic moments of excitement. I chalked that up to magic, and not realistic. Put I suppose it could be another kind of superpower. SuperRestraint.

steelknight3000 wrote: As long a superhuman can control their strength within reason, sex with mortals shouldn't be an insurmountable issue should it?
I mean I can crush a paper cup but I can still hold it in my hand without doing so.

Though I would advise the ladies against romantic relations with The Hulk however.....

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