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Transformatrix 4000 -- Comments and Suggestions

08 Feb 2007 17:49 #8259 by argonaut
It seems that a number of us (myself included) have been playing with ideas for a new interactive story arc ... but Ultragirl has actually stepped forward, reposting her recent contributions to the "Tales" thread as the opening chapters of "Transformatrix 4000 v. 2.0."

Now's your chance to start taking our interactive saga in a new direction!

The "Tales of the Transformatrix" thread remains open for writers who'd like to write stories set in the Transformatrix Universe, but outside the continuity of the new interactive story.

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09 Feb 2007 03:16 #8265 by ultragirl
Denise is going to get her butt kicked. LOL. I hadn't planned on that kind of "power-up". Tiff has to have a weakness, though. Maybe a short life span?

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09 Feb 2007 07:13 #8270 by yaracyrrah
Sorry about posting before you were finished, Ultragirl.

Can I just say that I think it would be a good idea to let posters to the interactive story edit their own posts? Among other things, it would let us rearrange things in chronological order. It would also let me fix my editing errors, e.g. by changing "several thousand times faster than light" to "many times faster than light" as I thought I had. (If you think she's too powerful now, you should have seen my *first* draft :twisted: .)

Denise is going to get her butt kicked. LOL. I hadn't planned on that kind of "power-up". Tiff has to have a weakness, though. Maybe a short life span?


Well...

(1) I plead another editing error. Long story short, I thought I'd changed "Denise!" to just "Help!", so that the get-butt-kicked-ers would all be volunteers. If you would prefer that Denise not get her butt kicked, consider that change made. My bad.

(2) In general, here's what I was thinking. As of Three Months Later, the balance of power is way on the side of the good guys (er, girls): there are at least six "professional" heroines who can back each other up, while there is no group of more than one bad guy. Witness the fate of Paris Hilton: one good rampage and then she has to wear orange. So, if Tiff is to be a successful super-thug, she has to be able to fight The Establishment at least to a draw. That's why I set her at five times the average of the protagonists. I read Denise as being currently three times the average, so if I were writing, she would indeed get her butt kicked, though Tiff would certainly feel her punches. But Tiff has nothing against the heroines--at least not yet--so she won't pursue them or go out of her way to injure them; she'll just knock them out if they try to stop her and go on her way (there's at least one Tale there...). In the long term, I've thought of at least three ways that the heroines might handle Tiff despite being physically overmatched, and Laura will think of them too if no one else has a better idea first (Tiff can be SuperBabe's personal nemesis if no one else wants to have to deal with her). So please don't give Tiff a weakness; if you need her off the stage, temporarily or permanently, please talk to me first.

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09 Feb 2007 07:31 #8271 by yaracyrrah

Another option based around the Highlander scenario was that a certain number of Transformees developes Rogue-like powers.


More than one such person might feel like overkill to me, but I'd enjoy reading a series of Tales about a power-draining Transformee. (Working her into the main story would be difficult, I suspect.)

PS: Anon, this is friendly teasing: I'd enjoy reading said stories a lot more if they were less angsty than your usual contributions :) . I hate anime :P :) . You do write it well though.

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09 Feb 2007 07:42 #8272 by Spulo
One idea I wanted to include in my contest story but forgot to (and one that was mentioned once or twice in the first TF4K thread) was that Kara has a Transformatrix to collect and use on herself. If it can give a human powers beyond those of a Kryptonian, what'll it do to a Kryptonian?

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09 Feb 2007 09:01 #8273 by Woodclaw

Anon, this is friendly teasing: I'd enjoy reading said stories a lot more if they were less angsty than your usual contributions :) . I hate anime :P :) . You do write it well though.


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:D :D :D Thank you, yaracyrrah. You are the first person in this forum that send me a line of comment about my stries and my writing style. About the two notes well

1) I'm pretty angsty and a little cynical of my own and it tend to transpire, I hope to correct it in the future

2) I don't love Animes at all, but a great number of them were part of my BG, so as many of you tend to draw inspiration form orther sources, I have some situations in my mind that are based on in the same way.

Sorry for the OT.
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About the possble effects of Kara's TF device I have a little doubt. It was established that the TF drain energy from Superman to give powers similar to his own, only greater, to others. The problem is if the TF drains from Superman only or from a generic Kryptonian life/power force.

In case one Kara shoting herself can obtain any possible result, stronger, weaker, no stronger but unlocking several new powers, nothing at all or any result in between.

In case two being Kara one of the energy source for the device (probably a kind of reserve, based on how weak her cousin is now), shoting herself will probably short circuit the system with unknown consequances.

PS for Ultragirl: in your last entries you stated that Denise is becoming stronger and stronger as her body adapts to the experiments on her, in your plans this will be a special power to her use only or a new trait of all the Transformees?

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09 Feb 2007 10:31 #8274 by ultragirl
Anon: I was trying not to reveal too much, but I understand that I need to keep you guys somewhat in the loop or hint at it in the writing. Denise will have to pay a small price for that kind of power.

Yara: I certainly didn't mean to undermine the idea. Actually, it was exactly what I was thinking of taking off with.

I don't really like to deal with numbers too much when it comes to supergirls. CF once covered something like this with Blogger. When they are at that power level, numbers start to mean less. I only touched on it because that's what scientists like, hard data.

I totally agree with you. If there is to be a girl like Tiff, she needs to be able to take on a few of our supergirls at a time. Don't change a thing.

A time line is easy. I just put a little "disclaimer" at the beginning of the post. :)

I like where this is going and I had every intention of getting Denise getting her butt kicked by Tiff. So let's do it. The Tiff/Janet supervillain is a great new story arc!

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16 Feb 2007 02:19 #8352 by ultragirl
Updated!

Denise goes for a nice jog through the desert. :wink:

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26 Feb 2007 23:23 #8449 by ultragirl
Alrighty, I've been holding off.

Should I post up a Tiff vs. Denise fight? I have a decent idea, but it's not great.

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27 Feb 2007 03:54 #8451 by yaracyrrah
Not It! :-). A decent idea is better than my haven't-even-thought-about-it, so if no one else feels like jumping in, go ahead.

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27 Feb 2007 11:26 #8454 by Woodclaw
I have one little question about the stories written for the workshop 1.10.

Are all of them part of the TF continuity? or only the winning story?

I ask because I'm working on a continuation for my entry and I hope to post it, someday.

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27 Feb 2007 19:37 #8456 by argonaut
I'd say that all four of the workshop stories fit into the established continuity.

Please do write that sequel. I'd love to read it!

And Ultragirl: Go for it. At the very least, it may inspire another writer to pick up where you leave off.

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01 Mar 2007 21:37 #8483 by ultragirl
Okay, I updated. It's not the best, but there it is.

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02 Mar 2007 05:02 #8489 by yaracyrrah

Okay, I updated. It's not the best, but there it is.


Mmm, crunchy :twisted: ! Plenty good enough :-). The only thing I'd tweak is that Tiff doesn't condone backtalk, so "Screw you" would have merited a good hard slap. (Also, the last line would have been a perfect place to introduce the use-name I'd planned for her, but of course you couldn't have known that because I hadn't told you.)

Fortunately for our heroines, Tiff simply doesn't care enough to actually kill them; she has other priorities. I have another post or two for her in the works, but they can take place in parallel to the main thread in which the heroines recuperate and discuss what to do about her. Spulo, if you were looking for something to motivate Kara to risk trying a Transformatrix on herself... :-).

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02 Mar 2007 19:56 #8494 by Woodclaw
Today I found this site that contains a very good atlas of the DC Universe based on the informations contained in the "DC Atlas" edited by the Mayfair games. Maybe it can be useful for future stories and for the continuation of the TF4000.

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08 Mar 2007 22:04 #8539 by yaracyrrah
Important note: the T5000 beta wasn't actually from GenreFan; it was from Janet Klyburn, who wanted to test one before she used one on herself. I'm sure by the time you read this she'll have made herself 5000-class too.

I don't have any plans for Regina, so feel free to exploit her exploits.

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09 Mar 2007 04:11 #8548 by argonaut
Thanks for bringing back Regina, Y! :D

To be honest, I have reservations about the new story-line. We might see chapter after chapter in which X uses the new, improved Transformatrix to make herself more powerful than Y, and Y uses it to become more powerful than X, and Z uses it to make herself more powerful than both of them together, with no end in sight.

But I enjoyed writing the "Plastics" into the Transformatrix Universe, and it might be fun to put Ms. Norbury into action. Conceptfan wanted the confrontation between Regina and Ms. Norbury to turn into a "school-destroying fight," so maybe he can get his wish!

Ms. Norbury, for those who don't know, is the math teacher from Mean Girls -- played by the fetching Tina Fey:

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09 Mar 2007 08:28 #8551 by yaracyrrah

To be honest, I have reservations about the new story-line. We might see chapter after chapter in which X uses the new, improved Transformatrix to make herself more powerful than Y, and Y uses it to become more powerful than X, and Z uses it to make herself more powerful than both of them together, with no end in sight.


www.jargon.net/jargonfile/d/Dontdothatthen.html :-) . I don't mean that as dismissive; I certainly understand your concern. But I think the answer is simply that we're better writers than that. At least you all are; I hope I am too :-) .

For my part, I've been working from a pretty clear conception of where I think this story-line would naturally lead. I've been trying to *not* introduce too many of my background assumptions into canon, because I don't want to unduly constrain future authors, but if I've written y'all into a corner where it looks like the whole thing is untenable, I'd be happy to explain where I've been aiming. Or, if all else fails, we can boot my wrong turn into an alternate universe and try again.

--Y

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09 Mar 2007 17:26 #8554 by lfan
Y --

OK, I thought kinda the same as Argo at first at omnipotence spiraling out of control when I read the last installment, but after reading your post, I agree with you and am intrigued and look forward to what you have in mind.

Along those lines, kudos to you, UG, Spulo, Anon, and Argo for taking the ball and running with it for the v2 remix. I've been bitten on the ass with some major lack of inspiration and writers block of late. I've tried to write something (honestly) but it never comes to fruition. Usually, in the past, I just need to break through the wall and hack something up.

Perhaps starting another Interactive storyline thread?

Regardless, thanks for some entertaining stuff and look forward to more....

ElF

To be honest, I have reservations about the new story-line. We might see chapter after chapter in which X uses the new, improved Transformatrix to make herself more powerful than Y, and Y uses it to become more powerful than X, and Z uses it to make herself more powerful than both of them together, with no end in sight.


www.jargon.net/jargonfile/d/Dontdothatthen.html :-) . I don't mean that as dismissive; I certainly understand your concern. But I think the answer is simply that we're better writers than that. At least you all are; I hope I am too :-) .

For my part, I've been working from a pretty clear conception of where I think this story-line would naturally lead. I've been trying to *not* introduce too many of my background assumptions into canon, because I don't want to unduly constrain future authors, but if I've written y'all into a corner where it looks like the whole thing is untenable, I'd be happy to explain where I've been aiming. Or, if all else fails, we can boot my wrong turn into an alternate universe and try again.

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10 Mar 2007 04:21 #8565 by yaracyrrah
Okay, I advanced the plot a bit, hopefully enough for someone else to post next. If I were more creative I would have thrown in a couple of red herrings, too; more leads to follow would mean more sub-threads for individual authors to lay claim to without having to worry about stepping on anyone else's toes.

Regina is sort of a red herring too: a non-essential side-plot. I didn't realize she was a movie character, but as I read her, she's naughty but not cruel, and more or less non-violent; unlike Tiff, she's not going to do anything that would make her Public Enemy #1, or even #10. Despite her power, her personality means that she'll remain a petty villain rather than a major one. At least that's what I was thinking when I decided to use her to test what I'm referring to as the T5000.

Perhaps starting another Interactive storyline thread?


If other people are like me, there's no telling what will strike their fancy and inspire them to put fingers to keyboard, so it would not be a bad plan to throw lots of Interactive starts at the wall and see which ones people take up.

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