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28 Apr 2019 06:54 #63822 by Thefirstone
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There aren’t many of them in this genre.  I mean there’s that Brightburn movie that’s coming out, but what do you think Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, or whoever would be like in that kind of story?  Or in general, what would a horror story be like around here?  I have this idea, not really sure how I would write it, or end it, so anybody else who wants to try it is welcome: A superwoman (probably a heroine, but I guess a villainess could work too) who doesn’t know how her powers work or where she came from (She was, of course, raised by foster parents who found her under mysterious circumstances) inexplicably starts developing new powers, and goes to see a scientist or mystic of some kind that she’s worked with before in search of information.  This person discovers she’s actually a larvae of a species of Cosmic Lovecraftian Horrors that spend their early lives on an inhabited planet before consuming all life on it as part of reaching adulthood.  Obviously a heroine would do her best to prevent this from happening.  A villainess might be fine with destroying the world in exchange for godlike power, or might try to fight it too, either out of enlightened self-interest or because she still has things and people she cares about.

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28 Apr 2019 09:27 #63823 by Woodclaw
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It sounds a lot like the plot of Bloodborne.

Horror is a bit of an interesting beast. On one hand it's the polar opposite of our genre, since it requires the heroes to be very vulnerable, on the other it opens up a lot of possibilities. 

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29 Apr 2019 02:59 #63829 by Jabbrwock
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I can think of two stories that are at least arguably both superwoman stories and horror movies.

First is the movie (movie series, in fact) Species. Sil is at least somewhat superhuman, the degree depends on what the plot requires, and is certainly a horror movie monster when she's not busy being a gorgeous blond woman.

Second is a Conceptfan story, Beautiful Monster. Most Conceptfan stories are more classically bad girl than horror, but Beautiful Monster is more into the horror genre, although the line can blur quite a bit. Here is the  link  .
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29 Apr 2019 03:05 #63830 by Random321
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While I've not planned on "horror" per se I've been putting together some things to do some gore/splatstick as a test here in the nearfuture.

I was re-inspired by shardars little vignette about a super burning down a man with her heat vision.  I had a video early on with Randy as a villian where she rips an arm off. I've also done kryptonite shared with blood in SuperMichaela and a bullet wound in her hand. I'm looking to expand on that.

I agree it opens up some fun possibilities.

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29 Apr 2019 19:21 #63834 by lfan
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While some purists will say its not horror, "A Haunting and A Haunting II" are two chapters from Deep Down Inside that definitely have a horroresque or Brightburn quality to them.

Haunting:  www.superwomenmania.com/index.php?option...-haunting&Itemid=231

Haunting II:  www.superwomenmania.com/index.php?option...unting-ii&Itemid=231

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29 Apr 2019 23:14 #63835 by willow
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I think the real horror would be having to live on the same planet as a young adult who has the powers of Superman and does whatever he or she pleases with. The idea that this person has the power of a god and there is nothing on the planet to stop them. They cannot be harmed. No aliens are coming to save us from this person. We are just stuck with some teenager who cannot be stopped, punished, and can happily indulge any and every whim that comes to mind.

From a psychological standpoint, it is a miracle that Superman comes out as kindhearted and well-adjusted as he does in the comics. Brightburn is probably a little closer to how such a kid might easily turn into if he discovered that kind of power.
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01 May 2019 02:37 - 03 May 2019 03:07 #63841 by Dru1076
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I [used to] consider just about every story I've ever written in the genre to be horror. There's certainly elements of horror in Mob Girl, Not the One, Constantines Portal, and all the others too. When I first saw Brightburn I felt [incorrectly] it confirmed my belief that there is a horror element to my stories. It was the second thought I had after "Damn...WHY did they have to go with a little boy?!?"

Roz and the Goddess are [un]questionably horror stories more than anything else. And The Pinnacle Reaction, which I fair dinkum thought you guys would enjoy a lot more than I think anybody actually ever did, I [used to] think could be best described as a horror story. 

I [stupidly] think there's a LOT of horror stories in the library here.

And don't forget...Stephen King's Carrie was superhuman horror. One of his best.

[EDIT: Nevermind any of this...turns out my stories are not horror. Just horrible.)

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01 May 2019 06:51 #63842 by circes_cup
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Try The Sanctuary by Draight.  The only place I can find it is on Saradas.  

Come and See by Draight also has a horror element, but it’s subtle until the end.

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01 May 2019 09:43 #63844 by conceptfan
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willow wrote: I think the real horror would be having to live on the same planet as a young adult who has the powers of Superman and does whatever he or she pleases with. The idea that this person has the power of a god and there is nothing on the planet to stop them. They cannot be harmed. No aliens are coming to save us from this person. We are just stuck with some teenager who cannot be stopped, punished, and can happily indulge any and every whim that comes to mind.

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Dru1076 wrote: There's certainly elements of horror in Mob Girl, Not the One, Constantines Portal, and all the others too

3 total classics of the genre right there.
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01 May 2019 16:56 #63848 by Woodclaw
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conceptfan wrote:

Dru1076 wrote: There's certainly elements of horror in Mob Girl, Not the One, Constantines Portal, and all the others too

3 total classics of the genre right there.


Very true and I enjoyed Pinnacle as well, although I don't see too much of a horror element.

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01 May 2019 21:40 #63851 by Dru1076
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Woodclaw wrote:

conceptfan wrote:

Dru1076 wrote: There's certainly elements of horror in Mob Girl, Not the One, Constantines Portal, and all the others too

3 total classics of the genre right there.


Very true and I enjoyed Pinnacle as well, although I don't see too much of a horror element.


If there's no horror in what Vicki does, and what she becomes at the end of the story....much more a doom than a saviour...then I've really posted in this thread entirely in error.

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01 May 2019 21:45 #63852 by Woodclaw
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Dru1076 wrote:

Woodclaw wrote:

conceptfan wrote:

Dru1076 wrote: There's certainly elements of horror in Mob Girl, Not the One, Constantines Portal, and all the others too

3 total classics of the genre right there.


Very true and I enjoyed Pinnacle as well, although I don't see too much of a horror element.


If there's no horror in what Vicki does, and what she becomes at the end of the story....much more a doom than a saviour...then I've really posted in this thread entirely in error.


There sure is, but I'm not sure if I would classify that as a horror tale (keep in mind that it took me a long time to file Alien as a horror movie). Thanks to some bad cinematography, in my mind, horror is often played for easy jumpscares or twist endings. The concept of the 'slow horror', where the monstrous elements trickle down in a slow fashion is something I have very little experience of.

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01 May 2019 22:39 #63853 by Dru1076
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Woodclaw wrote:

Dru1076 wrote:

Woodclaw wrote:

conceptfan wrote:

Dru1076 wrote: There's certainly elements of horror in Mob Girl, Not the One, Constantines Portal, and all the others too

3 total classics of the genre right there.


Very true and I enjoyed Pinnacle as well, although I don't see too much of a horror element.


If there's no horror in what Vicki does, and what she becomes at the end of the story....much more a doom than a saviour...then I've really posted in this thread entirely in error.


There sure is, but I'm not sure if I would classify that as a horror tale (keep in mind that it took me a long time to file Alien as a horror movie). Thanks to some bad cinematography, in my mind, horror is often played for easy jumpscares or twist endings. The concept of the 'slow horror', where the monstrous elements trickle down in a slow fashion is something I have very little experience of.


I wish you'd just let me have this one. I dont even know why we're debating this, but I DO know every time I bring up Vicki I end up wishing I hadn't.

Okay...it isnt horror. Not sure about the others now either.

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01 May 2019 22:57 #63854 by Woodclaw
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Dru1076 wrote:

Woodclaw wrote: There sure is, but I'm not sure if I would classify that as a horror tale (keep in mind that it took me a long time to file Alien as a horror movie). Thanks to some bad cinematography, in my mind, horror is often played for easy jumpscares or twist endings. The concept of the 'slow horror', where the monstrous elements trickle down in a slow fashion is something I have very little experience of.


I wish you'd just let me have this one. I dont even know why we're debating this, but I DO know every time I bring up Vicki I end up wishing I hadn't.

Okay...it isnt horror. Not sure about the others now either.


Maybe it's a language thing, but I was actually giving up with my last post. Horror is a fairly new taste for me, I haven't experienced much of it due to some childhood issues, so my opinion matters less than zero.

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02 May 2019 00:16 #63857 by Dru1076
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Woodclaw wrote:
Maybe it's a language thing, but I was actually giving up with my last post. Horror is a fairly new taste for me, I haven't experienced much of it due to some childhood issues, so my opinion matters less than zero.


I guess I'm still pretty raw when it comes to Vicki. But don't sell yourself short Woodclaw. I value your opinions greatly.

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02 May 2019 00:52 #63860 by conceptfan
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I'm confused now.

What is the definition of a horror story?  What must a story do/contain to be classed as horror?   Which elements disqualify certain stories from counting as horror?

Genuine, open questions.

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02 May 2019 01:58 #63861 by slim36
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Its a joy to finally realze a difficult  or goal assumed impossible.   An off topic example would be the pet cassowary www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/201...ntent=RelatedStories    Another would be Prometheus  where man risks everything to visit the engineer hoping that they  will reveal the secret of extending life. But the Engineer has other ideas.

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02 May 2019 03:30 - 02 May 2019 03:30 #63864 by Jabbrwock
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conceptfan wrote: I'm confused now.

What is the definition of a horror story?  What must a story do/contain to be classed as horror?   Which elements disqualify certain stories from counting as horror?

Genuine, open questions.


It's a very worthwhile question. 

To me, horror lies in the sense of dealing with something inhuman and other. It's the difference between dealing with an awful person and a monster. In many super bad girl stories, the other-ness begins and ends with whatever gives the character her power. After that, she's just a bad person with unstoppable power, which is horrible, but doesn't feel like horror. If the story doesn't have some focus on whatever strange power granted her those powers, and how unstoppable and incomprehensible it is, it doesn't feel like a horror story to me. On the other hand, in some stories - like your own Beautiful Monster - the superwoman doesn't act like a human given unstoppable power. Her actions are beyond rational analysis. She is the monster, and the story conveys it quite well.

That's just my take on it. Often, a horror story is resolved when the characters finally manage to understand their foe. At that point, they've won, or at least made the first step to winning, and the rest is just the wrap-up.[/size]
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03 May 2019 00:24 #63875 by Agent00Soul
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Even though it was at the end of the day a comedy, Buffy is an example of superwoman vs. horror

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03 May 2019 14:02 #63882 by Woodclaw
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Jabbrwock wrote:

conceptfan wrote: I'm confused now.

What is the definition of a horror story?  What must a story do/contain to be classed as horror?   Which elements disqualify certain stories from counting as horror?

Genuine, open questions.


It's a very worthwhile question. 

To me, horror lies in the sense of dealing with something inhuman and other. It's the difference between dealing with an awful person and a monster. In many super bad girl stories, the other-ness begins and ends with whatever gives the character her power. After that, she's just a bad person with unstoppable power, which is horrible, but doesn't feel like horror. If the story doesn't have some focus on whatever strange power granted her those powers, and how unstoppable and incomprehensible it is, it doesn't feel like a horror story to me. On the other hand, in some stories - like your own Beautiful Monster - the superwoman doesn't act like a human given unstoppable power. Her actions are beyond rational analysis. She is the monster, and the story conveys it quite well.

That's just my take on it. Often, a horror story is resolved when the characters finally manage to understand their foe. At that point, they've won, or at least made the first step to winning, and the rest is just the wrap-up.


I think this is a good assessment, but I think there's another kind of horror, which is the one where one character accepts his/hers own monstrosity as a fact.
For example, in Frankenstein the Creature, who is actually a highly intelligent and positive character accepts its own monstrosity because of how people react to it. From that moment on the Creature acts like a force of nature, rather than a human being.
Stoker's Dracula is very similar. The original story never dwells upon Dracula's motives or intentions, he's a monster from an ancient time, whose motivations are either purely animalistic or completely impossible to understand.[/size]

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