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I still think it's kinda madness that DC can't figure out how to chain more properties off of the Arrowverse. Maybe not Supergirl, but still. The animated Vixen was a good sign but there's many, many more characters they could fold in who are at or below Flash's level of impact. Though I guess most of his powers are comparatively cheap in terms of FX.
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EDIT BY R5 -- Link: deadline.com/2016/05/supergirl-cw-move-c...s-bubble-1201752684/
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My guess is that the show continues in some form, but perhaps not on CBS with their big budgets.
I wonder if this is all some suits deciding it's too expensive for the ad revenue it generates.
Might be bad news for special effects afficiondos, but maybe good for the writers, who had to fill every episode with flash and bang regardless of story. If that happens, I might like the change.
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EDIT BY R5 -- Link: variety.com/2016/tv/news/life-in-pieces-...on-2-cbs-1201771693/
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Supergirl's been renewed and is moving to the CW next season.
www.ew.com/article/2016/05/12/supergirl-...y_socialflow_twitter
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eJm wrote: Not a usual poster around these parts but thought I'd throw this in.
Supergirl's been renewed and is moving to the CW next season.
www.ew.com/article/2016/05/12/supergirl-...y_socialflow_twitter
Makes sense to go to CW with the rest of Berlanti's stuff.
Also move to Vancouver where his other productions are. But they have yet to announce the move.
My guess is that they'll lose a few regular actors with the Vancouver move, so that's gotta be worked first.
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Voting with your pocket book sends a strong message.
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I also hope the storyline writing improves vastly. One suggestion I would make is that they include at least one or more writers who are working exclusively on the Supergirl show (and who are not involved with the Flash, Arrow, or other shows at all). This way, those writers who work exclusively on the Supergirl show have a stake in the show and more reason to put effort into it. Those who split their time between the SG show and the others have more time juggling concerns while writing, and, if the CW Supergirl fails to get renewed for a third season, its not a huge loss for them, as they still have shows to work on.
I'd also mention to Kreisberg that a confident Supergirl isn't the same as a competent one (I want to see a competent Supergirl who doesn't need to be rescued by others and who can save the day by herself and can contribute to strategies Hank and Alex develop), and that nerfing her powers to put her in peril (she can't breathe in space, so she had to be rescued is a strategy that I absolutely loathe.
To put it another way, a show that's about Supergirl's growth as a heroine is worth watching. A show that's about Supergirl's willingness to sacrifice herself to save the day is MOST DEFINITELY NOT, at least not when it involves her being written as incompetent or being put in peril and rebranding that as Supergirl's willingness to sacrifice herself.
I continue to maintain that its not budget issues or anything like that that's the problem_its simply that the writing tends to be idiotic and weak. If that doesn't change, I doubt the show will make it to a season 3.
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Also, at CW, the show avoids roughly $3M of licensing fees to WB -- per episode. Apparently you don't have to pay licensing fees to yourself. So with that savings, and other Vancouver savings, the CGI work might be able to continue as before. Here's hoping.
And the pool of writers under Berlanti is now concentrated in one place. Maybe that'll help too.
Oh, almost forgot... the order was for a full 22 episodes.
Not a bad day for SG...
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I hope you're right about the special effects, though. That, plus Melissa Benoist, is a big reason I watch the show.
Oh, and fats should send in my letters to the producer now. I want to be sure that the writers actually get a chance to read what I (and everyone else) thinks of the show, both good and bad.
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Anybody know of a website or Twitter feed or whatever that reports on TV and movie shooting in Vancouver area?
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Does Supergirl going to CW prove that superhero drams don't work on the Big 4 networks?
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andyf wrote: Why have so many superwomen related shows over the years switched networks? Wonder Woman and Bionic Woman back in the 1970s, Buffy The Vampire Slayer in the early 2000s and Supergirl from CBS to CW.
Does Supergirl going to CW prove that superhero drams don't work on the Big 4 networks?
Wow, never noticed that trend before. Wonder what is up with that?
Although wasn't Buffy on Fox (I think it was Fox, correct me if I am wrong...) for like 7 years before switching to the CW for the 8th? And Wonder Woman went from ABC to CBS, didn't it? Both major networks but there really wasn't anything else at the time, was there?
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jdrock24 wrote:
andyf wrote: Why have so many superwomen related shows over the years switched networks? Wonder Woman and Bionic Woman back in the 1970s, Buffy The Vampire Slayer in the early 2000s and Supergirl from CBS to CW.
Does Supergirl going to CW prove that superhero drams don't work on the Big 4 networks?
Wow, never noticed that trend before. Wonder what is up with that?
Although wasn't Buffy on Fox (I think it was Fox, correct me if I am wrong...) for like 7 years before switching to the CW for the 8th? And Wonder Woman went from ABC to CBS, didn't it? Both major networks but there really wasn't anything else at the time, was there?
Buffy was on the WB for 5 years, then made a big money switch to UPN. The WB and UPN merged to become the CW later.
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geekseven wrote:
jdrock24 wrote:
andyf wrote: Why have so many superwomen related shows over the years switched networks? Wonder Woman and Bionic Woman back in the 1970s, Buffy The Vampire Slayer in the early 2000s and Supergirl from CBS to CW.
Does Supergirl going to CW prove that superhero drams don't work on the Big 4 networks?
Wow, never noticed that trend before. Wonder what is up with that?
Although wasn't Buffy on Fox (I think it was Fox, correct me if I am wrong...) for like 7 years before switching to the CW for the 8th? And Wonder Woman went from ABC to CBS, didn't it? Both major networks but there really wasn't anything else at the time, was there?
Buffy was on the WB for 5 years, then made a big money switch to UPN. The WB and UPN merged to become the CW later.
This is something I completely forgot. And I was alive and watching Wonder Woman and Bionic Woman at the time (I guess I didn't care about the network).
Switching networks is not totally uncommon, but it's weird that all those shows hopped networks. Great observation. I thought Buffy switched on the merger, but it didn't.
For those who care, here's a nice list I found (with dates/network):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_change
It also could be weirdly a positive thing. People cared so much about those shows, they got another chance to go somewhere else instead of just being canceled. I think WW and Bionic Woman fit that bill -- they were saved by the network move.
The Supergirl move is really a 1/2 move, as it's jaunting from one network owned by CBS to a network that is 1/2 owned by CBS. It's also a chance to cut some costs in the move. (They did this for WW too, switching up the time period to make it cheaper to film)
(I'm still mad SyFy didn't pick up Constantine since NBC Universal owns them.)
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One of CBS most talked about pilots for this year was a new dram based around an adult Nancy Drew as an NYPD detective, played by Sarah Shahi.
It did not go to series, but an all new Macuyver series, that tested poorly with test screenings, is.
Drew tested better, but was said to be too female aimed for CBS.
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Markiehoe wrote: My head hurts now.
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Looks like it wasn't on "life support", as much as some people wanted to believe....
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Brad2 wrote: No, that'll be if and when season 2 sucks as hard as season 1 did. The writers (especially that idiot Kreisberg) seem oblivious to the idea that it needs to get A LOT better in terms of storylines and character development (especially Supergirl's).
Shows like Supergirl, where a portion of the audience has been waiting forever to see, has a built-in tolerance in Season 1. Some people (like me) are just happy its on TV at all. Special effects are, well, Special. This allows the show to muddle around a bit in Season 1 and survive.
In Season 2, however, viewers are familiar with the characters and all their strengths, limitations, personality twists, relationship opportunities, etc. They've gotten used to the special effects, etc. Now they want to see the themes that have been intorduce explored with greater detail and competence. Season 2 should focus on the internal stories of the now familiar characters.
Season 2 can't just hammer a different supervillain into the scene every weak and have them beat up on Supergirl until she decides to fight back (with help) to kick their asses.
Now the writing has to go inside, and be interlinked, with an extended story line.
Season 1 started with Fort Rozz villains running amok, and it ended with the destruction and death of (presumably) everyone in Fort Rozz. All tied up in a bow, but far too crudely. They lost their way several times during the season.
But, at the end, relationships are moving forward, Kara and Alexa's parents are going to feature heavily in the story, and then there's the new Pod. This time they have to keep a central plot line running from end to end. Have as many subplots as they want, but move the main plot line forward every week. Essential.
They didn't live by that rule in Season 1, but that won't be tolerable going forward if they want a Season 3.
I'm putting on all my money on the Pod containing either a young Kryptonian male (who will be James's competitor for Kara affections, and won't be infringing on movie and TV licensing agreements), or it'll be Kara Zor El from the Earth 2 universe. Could be fun either way, but I lean strongly toward hoping Cat gets to invent a name for another superheroine. Powergirl.
Or so I see it...
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Presumably the show will need to reduce its costs to that of other CW shows unless they really feel it will bring in more viewers (ad revenue) than Flash, et.al.
Does anyone have easy access to numbers comparing the number of Flash viewers to Supergirl viewers?
I presume in general CBS has many more viewers than CW, but they also have a lot more shows, but none of them in the same genre as Supergirl. That's not what CBS is normally all about.
In contrast, CW has broad offerings in the genre. So we've got a dedicated genre viewership on CW, but its much smaller than the overall viewing audience on CBS. Dedication versus mass audience. Not sure how that plays out.
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