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Wonder Woman in Batman v Superman
03 Apr 2016 22:36 #47152
by kikass2014
Replied by kikass2014 on topic Wonder Woman in Batman v Superman
So, the only things you felt were wrong with the film was the pacing up to the fight? Really? That's all that is wrong with this film?
To answer your question, and perhaps surprisingly, there were some things I did LIKE about the movie. To be fair it isn't a lot, but it's something.
I felt Affleck's portrayal of Batman (and Bruce Wayne) was pretty good. His movement, menace when he is Batman, physicality were all good. He embodied an older, more mature Batman. I was probably most surprised by this as I have to admit, I was one of those that was "WTF???" when it was announced he would be playing the part. Hands up, he won me over.
Same goes for Cavil as Superman. Physically he looks the part.
I really liked Wonder Woman's theme
Aesthetically there was a lot of great looking stuff (as there is with all Snyder films, its what he is best at). A little too much slow-mo, but meh, I didn't mind it.
And that's about it. Unfortunately all the good is weighed down by the shear amount of bad stuff, that there really isn't much left. Even die-hard comic-book fans (especially fans of Batman and Superman, who you would think would LOVE this film), say this films is bad.
Peace.
/K
P.S. I am actually surprised that you didn't understand what d_k_c was saying. His "Picard" description is actually not that complicated, or wrong.
To answer your question, and perhaps surprisingly, there were some things I did LIKE about the movie. To be fair it isn't a lot, but it's something.
I felt Affleck's portrayal of Batman (and Bruce Wayne) was pretty good. His movement, menace when he is Batman, physicality were all good. He embodied an older, more mature Batman. I was probably most surprised by this as I have to admit, I was one of those that was "WTF???" when it was announced he would be playing the part. Hands up, he won me over.
Same goes for Cavil as Superman. Physically he looks the part.
I really liked Wonder Woman's theme
Aesthetically there was a lot of great looking stuff (as there is with all Snyder films, its what he is best at). A little too much slow-mo, but meh, I didn't mind it.
And that's about it. Unfortunately all the good is weighed down by the shear amount of bad stuff, that there really isn't much left. Even die-hard comic-book fans (especially fans of Batman and Superman, who you would think would LOVE this film), say this films is bad.
Peace.
/K
P.S. I am actually surprised that you didn't understand what d_k_c was saying. His "Picard" description is actually not that complicated, or wrong.
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04 Apr 2016 20:27 #47168
by jdrock24
If you want a cold and calculating Lex, wait until you see the "Senate hearing" scene.
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Replied by jdrock24 on topic Wonder Woman in Batman v Superman
To be fair each and every one of us has a personal canon in mind whenever we talk about games, movie, comics, books or any other media you can name.
I haven't watched Dawn of Justice yet, but from what I could gather from trailers and comments I got the impression that the production team tried to do with Lex what Marvel did with Justin Hammer in Iron Man 2: turning the aging multi-millionaire/scientist/whatever into a younger more rampart version of himself.
Does it work?
I don't know yet, but I somewhat doubt it. Not because of the performance, but because of the characters might relate to each other. In the case of Hammer, making him younger mean strengthening his rivalry with Tony Stark. Try to imagine in your mind having those scenes from Iron Man 2 played with an old Justin Hammer, I don't think that the characters would gel together so well.
On the subject of Luthor, I'm not so sure that this was needed. In my book Luthor is an almost purely mental threat to an almost purely physical character (such as Superman is represented most of the time). His appearence is irrelevant, but his demeanour should reflect that he's the one in control of the situation, he should handle most situation like a world class chess player handles a match. Cold and calculating, this is how I imagine Luthor most of the time. Now the character I saw in the trailers seemed more of a Sheldon Cooper on crack. I might be dead wrong, but this is what it looked like.
If you want a cold and calculating Lex, wait until you see the "Senate hearing" scene.
Maybe going through the mothers' names wasn't the best approach, but I'm more than willing to cut a mile f slack on this one, because I think Jdrock nailed on the head.
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07 Apr 2016 23:59 #47194
by kikass2014
I agree. Whether someone likes a film or not is subjective.
If it was one or two reasons, I agree, this point would stand. But it is more than just one or two points, as has been pointed out numerous times, by numerous people. And they aren’t “silly nit-picky reasons”. Some are fundamental logic that seems to fly out the window in this film.
I have to say that on this point, it is you who makes no sense. And I will demonstrate how. Like I have said, I love the film Sucker Punch. But by no stretch of the imagination can I claim it is a good film. The story really doesn’t make a lot of sense, the dialogue and acting are not great, and there isn’t really any moral or meaning to the story. But I love it for my own reasons. This does not make it a good film. In fact, I would go so far as to say it’s a bad film for those reasons.
Likewise I dislike the film The Omen. I find it hard to watch PRECISCLY because it is VERY GOOD at what it is. The score by Jerry Goldsmith is FANTASTIC. The story and the way it unravels, the visuals, are all very chilling. And the acting is brilliant (not surprising seeing as you have Gregory Peck, Lee Remmick, and Billy Whitelaw (who gives an outstanding performance) all in one film). Thus The Omen can be said to be a good film. And this is verified by general consensus among critics and fans.
In both those examples, my personal liking or disliking has no bearing on whether the film is good or not. Hopefully that may make my point a bit clearer.
Originally it would be the creator/writer, but I would also argue that when talking about iconic characters that have been going for decades, the general public decides. And they vote with their mouths and their wallets. Why do you think DC is rebooting their universe AGAIN after the whole “New 52” reboot? Because it sucked and was not selling.
Yes you can reinterpret a character, but the core stays the same. James Bond is a good example. Each actor (and writer) has a slightly different take on the role. Connery is macho and serious, Moore is wise-cracking, Brosnan is a combination of those and Craig is gritty. But fundamentally, they share core traits – they are tough, they are charming, they sleep around, they kill, they are resourceful.
Sherlock Holmes is another example. Take the classic Basil Rathbone representation and then look at Benedict Cumberbatch in the modern take. Different (due to the time period they are set in) but also FAITHFUL to the core of the character (meticulous, just, pompous, arrogant, intelligent, a drug addict). These are traits the fans of the books, and now the general public (since Holmes is now part of pop culture) expect Holmes to have.
Otherwise why not just call the character a different name? As someone said, why not call Superman something like “Captain Collateral”?
No, see this is where I think you may be missing the point. I am not arguing subjectively (which is what opinions are). I am making an objective case for why Batman V Superman is a bad film, as are, for example, most of the people in the videos I posted. Why is it objective? Because they are referring to things IN the film. They are not inferring, interpreting, imagining, anything. This is where opinion would come in, like “In my opinion, in the film X happens because Y”. They are saying “X happens because ??” and anyone can see it on screen.
In answer to your question about embedding the videos, I just wrote the links in the post and the clips came up. Same way other people’s clips appear embedded in their posts. I didn’t do anything special, I just assumed that’s how it worked for everyone I use Chrome as my browser if that helps, though I did used to use Firefox (but can’t remember if I saw embedded clips). Hope that helps
Peace.
/K
Replied by kikass2014 on topic Wonder Woman in Batman v Superman
“I really don't care if someone doesn't "like" the film. That is subjective.”
I agree. Whether someone likes a film or not is subjective.
“What I find silly is the nit-picky reasons people give for not liking it. With the silliest one being "That's not my (insert character's name here)."
If it was one or two reasons, I agree, this point would stand. But it is more than just one or two points, as has been pointed out numerous times, by numerous people. And they aren’t “silly nit-picky reasons”. Some are fundamental logic that seems to fly out the window in this film.
“What? That makes no sense. If I like a film, it is good to me. If I don't like a film, it is bad to me. That doesn't seem that hard to understand. Are you saying that someone, somewhere has come up with some set criteria about what makes a "good" movie and all the rest of us are supposed to just accept that, regardless of personal preference? That seems a bit totalitarian of you doesn't it?”
I have to say that on this point, it is you who makes no sense. And I will demonstrate how. Like I have said, I love the film Sucker Punch. But by no stretch of the imagination can I claim it is a good film. The story really doesn’t make a lot of sense, the dialogue and acting are not great, and there isn’t really any moral or meaning to the story. But I love it for my own reasons. This does not make it a good film. In fact, I would go so far as to say it’s a bad film for those reasons.
Likewise I dislike the film The Omen. I find it hard to watch PRECISCLY because it is VERY GOOD at what it is. The score by Jerry Goldsmith is FANTASTIC. The story and the way it unravels, the visuals, are all very chilling. And the acting is brilliant (not surprising seeing as you have Gregory Peck, Lee Remmick, and Billy Whitelaw (who gives an outstanding performance) all in one film). Thus The Omen can be said to be a good film. And this is verified by general consensus among critics and fans.
In both those examples, my personal liking or disliking has no bearing on whether the film is good or not. Hopefully that may make my point a bit clearer.
“Again, who decided what the core concepts of the characters are? You?”
Originally it would be the creator/writer, but I would also argue that when talking about iconic characters that have been going for decades, the general public decides. And they vote with their mouths and their wallets. Why do you think DC is rebooting their universe AGAIN after the whole “New 52” reboot? Because it sucked and was not selling.
Yes you can reinterpret a character, but the core stays the same. James Bond is a good example. Each actor (and writer) has a slightly different take on the role. Connery is macho and serious, Moore is wise-cracking, Brosnan is a combination of those and Craig is gritty. But fundamentally, they share core traits – they are tough, they are charming, they sleep around, they kill, they are resourceful.
Sherlock Holmes is another example. Take the classic Basil Rathbone representation and then look at Benedict Cumberbatch in the modern take. Different (due to the time period they are set in) but also FAITHFUL to the core of the character (meticulous, just, pompous, arrogant, intelligent, a drug addict). These are traits the fans of the books, and now the general public (since Holmes is now part of pop culture) expect Holmes to have.
Otherwise why not just call the character a different name? As someone said, why not call Superman something like “Captain Collateral”?
“Again, this is all opinion.”
No, see this is where I think you may be missing the point. I am not arguing subjectively (which is what opinions are). I am making an objective case for why Batman V Superman is a bad film, as are, for example, most of the people in the videos I posted. Why is it objective? Because they are referring to things IN the film. They are not inferring, interpreting, imagining, anything. This is where opinion would come in, like “In my opinion, in the film X happens because Y”. They are saying “X happens because ??” and anyone can see it on screen.
“Although I am curious as to how you got the videos to embed in your post. What browser do you use? I cannot get that thing to work in Firefox.”
In answer to your question about embedding the videos, I just wrote the links in the post and the clips came up. Same way other people’s clips appear embedded in their posts. I didn’t do anything special, I just assumed that’s how it worked for everyone
I use Chrome as my browser if that helps, though I did used to use Firefox (but can’t remember if I saw embedded clips). Hope that helps Peace.
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08 Apr 2016 16:26 #47211
by jdrock24
I reject this line of thinking. You seem to be saying that there is some set criteria that makes up a "good" film and all the rest of us should just get in line and follow it. Sorry, I can think for myself and the only "guideline" I use as to whether or not a film is good is my own opinion. I don't care what anyone else says. I guess I'm just a rebel that way, an incurable individualist.
Take the movie Boyhood. That movie had a 100% on Rotten Tomatoes for a long time (It is now at 98%) so my wife and I decided to watch it one night. Hey, RT is basically telling us it is the perfect movie based on the established guidelines you seem to be promoting, right? Wrong! It was possibly the worst, most boring movie I have ever seen! I really wish that I could get those three plus hours of my life back...
I've never seen Sucker Punch so I can't speak to its quality. But if you like it, then it must be a good film, to you. In fact, since you seemed to enjoy it, I may give it a watch sometime
Okay, but then how can you say "That's not my Batman!" in BM v SM when he is based on the Batman from The Dark Knight Returns; widely considered to be the best interpretation of Batman in history? Not coincidentally, I believe it is the best selling graphic novel of all time. The people sure "voted with their wallets" in that case, didn't they?
As to Superman, there have been many different interpretations of the years but the original back in the 1930's killed people all the time. But you know what? He evolved and advanced. So why can't he advance further from what he was in the 1970s? Besides, the SM in MOS and now BM V SM is still, at his core, what SM has always been. A good guy trying to do the right thing.
I can't be responsible if people aren't paying attention during the movie and don't know why things are happening. I will admit that some scenes required a small bit of knowledge from the comics (I'm specifically referring to the Knightmare scene here) but it wasn't too often.
I think the problem most people are having with this movie is that they went in expecting a Marvel movie in which you didn't have to think and could just "have fun" with it. When they watched it and found out that it was much deeper and required them to actually think about the use of power and how it should be wielded or restrained, they recoiled. The movie really needs to be seen a 2nd time in order to absorb it all. I'm going for a third time sometime next week...
Let my try that:
Hey, it seemed to work. I was trying to use the "video" button up in the control bar but I couldn't get it to work. Didn't know it was so simple...
Let me try another one:
www.facebook.com/manofsteelfansgiveshope...os/1230393370323858/
Well, that one didn't work. I guess because it was from Facebook and not Youtube. It is a good review also about why that person loved the movie because it took risks and made you think.
Can't wait to see this movie again in theaters and then the 3 hour version when it is released in July.
Peace
Replied by jdrock24 on topic Wonder Woman in Batman v Superman
I have to say that on this point, it is you who makes no sense. And I will demonstrate how. Like I have said, I love the film Sucker Punch. But by no stretch of the imagination can I claim it is a good film. The story really doesn’t make a lot of sense, the dialogue and acting are not great, and there isn’t really any moral or meaning to the story. But I love it for my own reasons. This does not make it a good film. In fact, I would go so far as to say it’s a bad film for those reasons.
Likewise I dislike the film The Omen. I find it hard to watch PRECISCLY because it is VERY GOOD at what it is. The score by Jerry Goldsmith is FANTASTIC. The story and the way it unravels, the visuals, are all very chilling. And the acting is brilliant (not surprising seeing as you have Gregory Peck, Lee Remmick, and Billy Whitelaw (who gives an outstanding performance) all in one film). Thus The Omen can be said to be a good film. And this is verified by general consensus among critics and fans.
In both those examples, my personal liking or disliking has no bearing on whether the film is good or not. Hopefully that may make my point a bit clearer.
I reject this line of thinking. You seem to be saying that there is some set criteria that makes up a "good" film and all the rest of us should just get in line and follow it. Sorry, I can think for myself and the only "guideline" I use as to whether or not a film is good is my own opinion. I don't care what anyone else says. I guess I'm just a rebel that way, an incurable individualist.
Take the movie Boyhood. That movie had a 100% on Rotten Tomatoes for a long time (It is now at 98%) so my wife and I decided to watch it one night. Hey, RT is basically telling us it is the perfect movie based on the established guidelines you seem to be promoting, right? Wrong! It was possibly the worst, most boring movie I have ever seen! I really wish that I could get those three plus hours of my life back...
I've never seen Sucker Punch so I can't speak to its quality. But if you like it, then it must be a good film, to you. In fact, since you seemed to enjoy it, I may give it a watch sometime
Originally it would be the creator/writer, but I would also argue that when talking about iconic characters that have been going for decades, the general public decides. And they vote with their mouths and their wallets. Why do you think DC is rebooting their universe AGAIN after the whole “New 52” reboot? Because it sucked and was not selling.
Yes you can reinterpret a character, but the core stays the same. James Bond is a good example. Each actor (and writer) has a slightly different take on the role. Connery is macho and serious, Moore is wise-cracking, Brosnan is a combination of those and Craig is gritty. But fundamentally, they share core traits – they are tough, they are charming, they sleep around, they kill, they are resourceful.
Sherlock Holmes is another example. Take the classic Basil Rathbone representation and then look at Benedict Cumberbatch in the modern take. Different (due to the time period they are set in) but also FAITHFUL to the core of the character (meticulous, just, pompous, arrogant, intelligent, a drug addict). These are traits the fans of the books, and now the general public (since Holmes is now part of pop culture) expect Holmes to have.
Otherwise why not just call the character a different name? As someone said, why not call Superman something like “Captain Collateral”?
Okay, but then how can you say "That's not my Batman!" in BM v SM when he is based on the Batman from The Dark Knight Returns; widely considered to be the best interpretation of Batman in history? Not coincidentally, I believe it is the best selling graphic novel of all time. The people sure "voted with their wallets" in that case, didn't they?
As to Superman, there have been many different interpretations of the years but the original back in the 1930's killed people all the time. But you know what? He evolved and advanced. So why can't he advance further from what he was in the 1970s? Besides, the SM in MOS and now BM V SM is still, at his core, what SM has always been. A good guy trying to do the right thing.
No, see this is where I think you may be missing the point. I am not arguing subjectively (which is what opinions are). I am making an objective case for why Batman V Superman is a bad film, as are, for example, most of the people in the videos I posted. Why is it objective? Because they are referring to things IN the film. They are not inferring, interpreting, imagining, anything. This is where opinion would come in, like “In my opinion, in the film X happens because Y”. They are saying “X happens because ??” and anyone can see it on screen.
I can't be responsible if people aren't paying attention during the movie and don't know why things are happening. I will admit that some scenes required a small bit of knowledge from the comics (I'm specifically referring to the Knightmare scene here) but it wasn't too often.
I think the problem most people are having with this movie is that they went in expecting a Marvel movie in which you didn't have to think and could just "have fun" with it. When they watched it and found out that it was much deeper and required them to actually think about the use of power and how it should be wielded or restrained, they recoiled. The movie really needs to be seen a 2nd time in order to absorb it all. I'm going for a third time sometime next week...
In answer to your question about embedding the videos, I just wrote the links in the post and the clips came up. Same way other people’s clips appear embedded in their posts. I didn’t do anything special, I just assumed that’s how it worked for everyone
Let my try that:
Hey, it seemed to work. I was trying to use the "video" button up in the control bar but I couldn't get it to work. Didn't know it was so simple...
Let me try another one:
www.facebook.com/manofsteelfansgiveshope...os/1230393370323858/
Well, that one didn't work. I guess because it was from Facebook and not Youtube. It is a good review also about why that person loved the movie because it took risks and made you think.
Can't wait to see this movie again in theaters and then the 3 hour version when it is released in July.
Peace
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09 Apr 2016 13:56 #47226
by kikass2014
Replied by kikass2014 on topic Wonder Woman in Batman v Superman
@JD
Yes there is a criterion that makes a “good film”. It is called the codes and conventions of film making and storytelling. Shoving scenes together and rambling randomly (note not directly speaking about B V S, but any narrative), while it can be called a film, or story, is, objectively, not a good one by ANYONES criteria.
And while some film makers (like for example Tarantino, Kubrick, Scorsese, Gilliam) do “bend” these rules, they seldom “break” them.
You believe in relativism. A lot of people do so not that much of a rebel
I was paying attention, got the references to Darkseid and Para-demons in the “Nightmare Dream Sequence”, got the “…freaks dressed like clowns” reference, the “Death in the Family” reference, and even what appeared to be a Mother-Box in the little Cyborg clip that played for a few seconds.
So my attention was not wanting.
And the stuff that has been pointed out as being illogical, I am assuming, to you, is explained in throw-away lines or brief shots. I will try to give an example, and I am sure it has been noted elsewhere:
Lex’s motivation. What is Lex’s motivation for hating Superman?
I keep coming across this line of argument a LOT in relation to this film, from others and from yourself. And while I truly believe you don’t mean to be, I find it a little insulting.
This movie is not Citizen Kane. It is not Pi. It is not some deep philosophical exposition on complicated subjects (despite Zach Snyder babbling on about this in interviews before the film was released). Simply by throwing in words like “God” every 2 minutes, and showing religious imagery and symbolism, does not make a film hard to understand.
It is a simple film that is so full of itself that it fails at basic filmmaking.
No, again this is a straw man argument. I did not go in expecting a Marvel film. But I did go in expecting to a film that a) made sense; b) had interesting characters that one could care for and c) entertained. You know, things you would expect from ANY film.
Again, you seem to imply that this film is some complicated enigma that requires study to understand. It really doesn’t. Without blowing my own trumpet too much, one of my degrees is in Film Studies and English Literature. This film would be laughed at if held up as an example of a deep, complicated film, or work of art that deserves study.
I, and I may be being a bit presumptuous, but I get the feeling that you are at heart, a DC fanboy. And that’s fine. That is your choice.
I base this on the many exchanges, like this one, that we have had over the course of a year or less leading up to this film.
DC fanboys SOOOOO wanted this movie to be a critical and financial success that they keep telling themselves the same lie over and over, in the hope of convincing themselves it is true. That is, the film is serious, a deep exploration of grand themes in a comic book movie. And to justify that to themselves, they basically say this – anyone who doesn’t like the film, or thinks it is a bad film, is too dumb to understand it.
You’re not the first person I’ve come across that says this tbh.
Even most DC fans have come to terms with this film being bad and are moving on. Only the DC fanboys are the ones virulently defending it still.
You may seem to think that I have some sort of agenda against DC films, or their comics in general. This is false. I love all good comic books (Marvel, DC, Image, Valliant, Sirius, etc).
I WANT a good DC cinematic universe. But I as a fan of these characters, and I’m not in the minority here, are not getting it. And by supporting the guff coming from WB/DC so far (Man of Steel and now Batman V Superman) is not going to achieve that.
As an example of how Batman V Superman could have been better, here are a few points worth considering:
- Don’t have Wonder Woman in the film (save her debut for the stand alone film)
- Don’t have Doomsday in it and try to shove the whole Death of Superman storyline into 15 mins (save that for Man of Steel 2, or at the very least something that needs to built-up to)
- Have the Justice Leagues clips as an after credit clip setting up the future films
Without changing any other of the other flaws, these three points alone would have made the film MUCH better.
Glad to see you got the video embedding working Yeah I think you are correct in that it only works with Youtube links and that’s why the Facebook one doesn’t play.
Peace.
/K
P.S.
See it It is a visual delight if nothing else
I reject this line of thinking. You seem to be saying that there is some set criteria that makes up a "good" film and all the rest of us should just get in line and follow it.
Yes there is a criterion that makes a “good film”. It is called the codes and conventions of film making and storytelling. Shoving scenes together and rambling randomly (note not directly speaking about B V S, but any narrative), while it can be called a film, or story, is, objectively, not a good one by ANYONES criteria.
And while some film makers (like for example Tarantino, Kubrick, Scorsese, Gilliam) do “bend” these rules, they seldom “break” them.
Sorry, I can think for myself and the only "guideline" I use as to whether or not a film is good is my own opinion. I don't care what anyone else says. I guess I'm just a rebel that way, an incurable individualist.
You believe in relativism. A lot of people do so not that much of a rebel
I can't be responsible if people aren't paying attention during the movie and don't know why things are happening. I will admit that some scenes required a small bit of knowledge from the comics (I'm specifically referring to the Knightmare scene here) but it wasn't too often.
I was paying attention, got the references to Darkseid and Para-demons in the “Nightmare Dream Sequence”, got the “…freaks dressed like clowns” reference, the “Death in the Family” reference, and even what appeared to be a Mother-Box in the little Cyborg clip that played for a few seconds.
So my attention was not wanting.
And the stuff that has been pointed out as being illogical, I am assuming, to you, is explained in throw-away lines or brief shots. I will try to give an example, and I am sure it has been noted elsewhere:
Lex’s motivation. What is Lex’s motivation for hating Superman?
When they watched it and found out that it was much deeper and required them to actually think about the use of power and how it should be wielded or restrained, they recoiled. The movie really needs to be seen a 2nd time in order to absorb it all. I'm going for a third time sometime next week...
I keep coming across this line of argument a LOT in relation to this film, from others and from yourself. And while I truly believe you don’t mean to be, I find it a little insulting.
This movie is not Citizen Kane. It is not Pi. It is not some deep philosophical exposition on complicated subjects (despite Zach Snyder babbling on about this in interviews before the film was released). Simply by throwing in words like “God” every 2 minutes, and showing religious imagery and symbolism, does not make a film hard to understand.
It is a simple film that is so full of itself that it fails at basic filmmaking.
I think the problem most people are having with this movie is that they went in expecting a Marvel movie…
No, again this is a straw man argument. I did not go in expecting a Marvel film. But I did go in expecting to a film that a) made sense; b) had interesting characters that one could care for and c) entertained. You know, things you would expect from ANY film.
…in which you didn't have to think and could just "have fun" with it.
Again, you seem to imply that this film is some complicated enigma that requires study to understand. It really doesn’t. Without blowing my own trumpet too much, one of my degrees is in Film Studies and English Literature. This film would be laughed at if held up as an example of a deep, complicated film, or work of art that deserves study.
I, and I may be being a bit presumptuous, but I get the feeling that you are at heart, a DC fanboy. And that’s fine. That is your choice.
I base this on the many exchanges, like this one, that we have had over the course of a year or less leading up to this film.
DC fanboys SOOOOO wanted this movie to be a critical and financial success that they keep telling themselves the same lie over and over, in the hope of convincing themselves it is true. That is, the film is serious, a deep exploration of grand themes in a comic book movie. And to justify that to themselves, they basically say this – anyone who doesn’t like the film, or thinks it is a bad film, is too dumb to understand it.
You’re not the first person I’ve come across that says this tbh.
Even most DC fans have come to terms with this film being bad and are moving on. Only the DC fanboys are the ones virulently defending it still.
You may seem to think that I have some sort of agenda against DC films, or their comics in general. This is false. I love all good comic books (Marvel, DC, Image, Valliant, Sirius, etc).
I WANT a good DC cinematic universe. But I as a fan of these characters, and I’m not in the minority here, are not getting it. And by supporting the guff coming from WB/DC so far (Man of Steel and now Batman V Superman) is not going to achieve that.
As an example of how Batman V Superman could have been better, here are a few points worth considering:
- Don’t have Wonder Woman in the film (save her debut for the stand alone film)
- Don’t have Doomsday in it and try to shove the whole Death of Superman storyline into 15 mins (save that for Man of Steel 2, or at the very least something that needs to built-up to)
- Have the Justice Leagues clips as an after credit clip setting up the future films
Without changing any other of the other flaws, these three points alone would have made the film MUCH better.
Let my try that:
Glad to see you got the video embedding working
Yeah I think you are correct in that it only works with Youtube links and that’s why the Facebook one doesn’t play.Peace.
/K
P.S.
I've never seen Sucker Punch so I can't speak to its quality. But if you like it, then it must be a good film, to you. In fact, since you seemed to enjoy it, I may give it a watch sometime
See it
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