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Already Finished ‘Batgirl’ Scrapped by Warner Bros. Discovery, Won’t Hit HBO Max or Theaters

07 Aug 2022 01:48 #75243 by ChaozCloud
It's not bad casting if the actor does the part well.

And seeing as Aquaman has grossed over 1 billion world wide and is the highest grossing DC movie, I think it's fair to say that people don't mind race swapping a character.

And yes, I would take a good actor that will do the part well over someone who just looks the part.

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07 Aug 2022 03:00 #75244 by erikphandel

It's not bad casting if the actor does the part well.

And seeing as Aquaman has grossed over 1 billion world wide and is the highest grossing DC movie, I think it's fair to say that people don't mind race swapping a character.

And yes, I would take a good actor that will do the part well over someone who just looks the part.
We can very easily have both, I don't know why people operate in this blatantly false dichotomy

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07 Aug 2022 03:15 #75245 by ChaozCloud
Obviously both would be ideal.
Marvel has gotten really lucky with their casting on several fronts.
But where are you going to find a 6 foot tall, 160 pounds of muscle woman with greek descent that is also a great actress?

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07 Aug 2022 03:16 #75246 by jimbob
I feel like that's true to a point. Like you're almost never going to find someone with the height and proportions of Power Girl who also has the right face and hair and can act. The odds are very slim. I'd almost say that's the same with Wonder Woman where a woman with true Amazonian proportions who can also act well enough to have the lead role is gonna be a hell of a search (It's why I thought Carter was great, Godot not so much). However Kara/Supergirl it should be a snap to find someone who looks like the comic as there's a ton of blonde pretty thin girls in Hollywood.

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07 Aug 2022 04:07 #75247 by shadar

I feel like that's true to a point. Like you're almost never going to find someone with the height and proportions of Power Girl who also has the right face and hair and can act. The odds are very slim. I'd almost say that's the same with Wonder Woman where a woman with true Amazonian proportions who can also act well enough to have the lead role is gonna be a hell of a search (It's why I thought Carter was great, Godot not so much). However Kara/Supergirl it should be a snap to find someone who looks like the comic as there's a ton of blonde pretty thin girls in Hollywood.k
 
The casting problem for comic characters will hopefully be solved while I can still enjoy it by CGI advances such that animation matches real actors. In other words, cross the uncanny valley. 

It opens the door ultimately to individualized interpretations of each character. 

In that era, some people might want a perfect reproduction of Lynda Carter in her prime, identical to reality or maybe enhanced a bit.

I might want my Wonder Woman movie with Diana looking more like Titania. 

But when CGI actors become indistinguishable from live action, and can be created to look any way, things are going to get REALLY interesting.  

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07 Aug 2022 14:58 #75248 by slim36
At some point if CGI gets good at the mass market level, you might get the option of customizing the appearance of characters in movies to your personal preference.  Alexa might figure it out and do it for you if approve the privacy setting.    Not to change the topic, but critics of the She-Hulk preview CGI suggest the technology still has a ways to go.  thedirect.com/article/she-hulk-cgi-impro...isney-trailer-photos

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07 Aug 2022 22:50 #75249 by ballen

Saw this report last night too.

Good.  Get rid of all the crap and focus on what works going forward.

All these stupid films that they were planning are getting canned by the new management. Why? Because they are shit.

You wanna do a Supergirl film?  You get a BLONDE BLUE-EYED GORGEOUS actress to play KARA.  That's what you do.  Not some random nobody who checks boxes.

You wanna do a Batgirl film?  You get a WHITE girl to play her. Don't go race-changing for the sake of it.  Same with Batwoman.  Why did it HAVE to be a lesbian actress playing her???  Get the best person for the job.

It seems the new management at WB-Discovery is finally realising check-box shit don't fly.  You wanna make money, you stick to the source.  It's not rocket science.

Hopefully the new DC direction works out for them. 

Peace.

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The racial characteristics of who was cast probably had little to nothing to do with the decision to pull the release.  I am the decision had everything to do the writing and direction new management wanted to take with the franchise.  The ONLY film from the DC Universe that has received positive reviews is the first Wonder Woman.  Pretty much every film done other than Wonder Woman post Christopher Nolan has been panned.  And this one was no different.

Per your comment on race, I am assuming you were equally or more outraged that a studio cast a guy by the name of Benedict Cumberbatch to play the role of Khan Noonien Singh in “Star Trek: Into Darkness”.  I don’t think anything more needs to be said about the racial disconnect there.  And btw, Eartha Kitt was very successfully cast as “Catwoman” in the Batman series from the 60s which clearly demonstrates Hollywood’s experimentation with characters predates “Wokeness” by over half a century.    

This was about writing.

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07 Aug 2022 23:56 - 07 Aug 2022 23:57 #75250 by kikass2014

The racial characteristics of who was cast probably had little to nothing to do with the decision to pull the release….

If you read the thread and my other posts, you will see that this has NOTHING to do with race or gender.

Per your comment on race, I am assuming you were equally or more outraged that a studio cast a guy by the name of Benedict Cumberbatch to play the role of Khan Noonien Singh in “Star Trek: Into Darkness”.  I don’t think anything more needs to be said about the racial disconnect there. And btw, Eartha Kitt was very successfully cast as “Catwoman” in the Batman series from the 60s which clearly demonstrates Hollywood’s experimentation with characters predates “Wokeness” by over half a century.   

Ah yes, one of the –isms being called into effect.  Again, please read the whole of my responses in this thread and you will see that race is NOT the issue, as I have pointed out.  But you seem to miss this.

This was about writing.

You do know that writing a CHARACTER and thus choosing their depiction; race, gender, sexuality, etc. IS part of the writing process?

Yes, the writing has been complete crap in ALL DC movies, even the hallowed Wonder Woman which some rave about. 

WW was complete shit. It would probably have been worse had they not literally copied Captain America: The First Avenger.

So in the sense of the writing for this film being shit being a factor, we are in agreement.

The point though is, what is the basis of the writing process?  Are you making a film out of the comic, or are you looking at a list of boxes first?

Peace.

/K
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08 Aug 2022 02:23 #75254 by jimbob
For the record, Batgirl was supposedly scrapped because it tested awfully with test audiences, who hated almost everything about it and rated it 30/100. Most likely rather than waste more money on extensive reshoots that probably still wouldn't fix the problem they just decided to eat the loss. Flash by contrast apparently tested well and people thought is a decent film if you can ignore that Ezra Miller is now a potentially criminal lunatic so they're sticking with it.

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08 Aug 2022 07:21 #75255 by willow
Always seems weird to me since I would think making even $1 million back of that $90 million spent is better than $0. Of course, this is Hollywood accounting so they probably got a spectacular tax write-off with Batgirl.

As for testing, I hate audience testing as it can be extremely hit or miss. Pre-pandemic, test screenings were often whatever random person they could find on a weekday in the local mall or off the street. So, you would get test screenings where the audience hated the film but no one in the film's actual target audience was present.

The equivalent of showing "Harold and Kumar go to White Castle" at a retirement home while showing "On Golden Pond" to an elementary or high school class.

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08 Aug 2022 15:43 - 12 Aug 2022 15:09 #75258 by Monty

Saw this report last night too.Good.  Get rid of all the crap and focus on what works going forward.All these stupid films that they were planning are getting canned by the new management. Why? Because they are shit.You wanna do a Supergirl film?  You get a BLONDE BLUE-EYED GORGEOUS actress to play KARA.  That's what you do.



 
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08 Aug 2022 15:56 #75259 by kikass2014

Hands on her hips, head held high haughtily aloft, she asked "Do tick all the boxes? Will do?


Meh, you'll do 

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12 Aug 2022 16:29 #75283 by jdrock24
I have no inside scoop on why Batgirl was cancelled but it does seem odd that they did it after it was already done filming and in post production. It seems like they could have at least thrown it onto HBOMax to draw at least some new viewers.

As far as DC movies go, like most of you, I'm not sure what the plan is. I'm somewhat interested in Black Adam and Shazam 2 (mostly for Mary Marvel if I'm honest

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). Not sure about the Flash. Will the new regime use it to open up the multiverse? What will they do about Ezra Miller and his legal issues? Personally, I would just let that play out in the courts. He could be totally exonerated as no one knows the details of what actually happened in any of those instances. He's going to have to address them at some point unless they intend to sideline him for the entire press run leading up to The Flash's release.

The only thing I would like to see is a sequel to ZS's Justice League in which Darksied invades Earth and the JL has to fight him off. That would be epic!
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